QA Explaining Swing Weight

By Frank ThomasMay 30, 2006, 4:00 pm
Editor's Note: This is the latest in a weekly Q&A feature from The Golf Channel's Chief Technical Advisor Frank Thomas. To submit a question for possible use in this column, email
I've noticed that some drivers have different swing weights even with a shaft that weighs the same. Can you tell me how that works? -- Mark Bradley

Swing weight is a measure of the counter balance required to be applied to the grip of the club when it is balanced at a fulcrum 14 inches from the end of the grip. This fulcrum distance was established as being the most appropriate one based on an attempt to quantify a weight matching system using Francis Ouimets clubs (U.S. Open champion 1913 as an amateur).
The concept was simple and assumed that every shaft in the set weighed about the same per inch of length, the grips all weighed the same and that the only two variables involved were shaft length and head weight. Based on this a method of matching was born called swing weight.
It is really not a dynamic measurement as the name implies but rather a simple balance system what in mechanics is called First Moments. This is where the distance of the weight from the fulcrum multiplied by the weight itself must be the same on both sides for the beam to balance.
In the case of swing weight the fulcrum has been pre-selected, as mentioned above, to be 14 inches from the butt end of the club. As times changed and shafts became lighter this changed the thinking a little.
The concentration of mass of the shaft i.e. the center of gravity or (c.g.) is close to the midpoint of the shaft length and is on the head side of the 14 inch fulcrum. For this reason with a lighter shaft i.e. Graphite vs. Steel the balance will be thrown off and more weight will need to be added to the head for the same swing weight to register on the scale.
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So as you can see the swing weight is a simple balance beam and you can get two different swing weights in two different clubs with the same shaft weight but this would require adding or subtracting weight from the head.

Years ago there was a English player named Paul Trevillion who used a short putter with a split grip, on short putts he would hold the right hand around six inches above the ground and move it upwards as the putts got longer. Its said he made a 1000 four foot putts and never missed a putt, also he would take anyone on in a putt-off, and never lost. Why is it no PGA pros have ever used his method, least wise that Ive seen? -- Joe Cody

This is being done every day but with a modified putter which will do about the same thing. Not quite as well but without the back breaking stance. The long putter is one similar in concept to the one you describe. The idea is to eliminate as many variables and sources of error in the putting stroke as possible. The low right hand exaggerated split grip short putter eliminates at least three degrees of freedom or at least minimizes them to being almost ineffective and so minimizes the potential of these influencing the stroke. These degrees of freedom are:
a) The up and down motion (raising the head of the putter off the ground to various heights as the left arm is firmly lock in place and hand or wrist becomes a pivot point).
b) The rotation of the wrists as these are no longer in play.
c) The wrist break as opposed to a firm left wrist. Breaking the left wrist seems to be the cause of many misses.
With these three degrees of freedom out of play you are left with only the two side ways movements across the line of the putt and along the line of putt. The action of the right hand for the short putter is a bowling move which is better than that used on the long putter which is across the body and not natural. There is no doubt that this style of putting is excellent for short putts as proven by Sam Snead.
I recently made my annual pilgrimage to the local golf emporium to compare this years hot new drivers and put the manufacturers claims to the test on the launch monitor. My driving distance is usually 250-270 yards, as confirmed by my Skygolf GPS, which has a shot distance function. However, the launch monitors always seem to dock me about 50 yards, giving me readings of around 200-220 yards (carry plus roll), even when hitting my own driver which I know I hit 250+.

This is a recurring pattern regardless of the launch monitor Im using. My favorite golf shop is equipped with TaylorMades MATT system, Callaways proprietary fitting system and their own non-proprietary system. All three show spin-rate, launch angle, club head speed, ball speed, distance, etc. And they all seem to uniformly low-ball me about 50 yards.

As the prime technical guru of the golf universe, do you have any ideas as to why this might be? -- Amir Stark

I think I must first say that most of the launch monitors predict the distances based on a preset formula taking launch angle spin rate and ball speed as the input variables. They also use a standard turf condition (producing about 25 yards of roll for a standard drive) and the aerodynamic properties of a generic ball. This is not bad for general use. It will certainly get the golfer into the right ball park for club selection to approach, as close as they can, the Optimum Conditions. The lower the head speed the lower the ball speed and the higher the launch angle is needed. Also as the ball speed goes down so must the spin rate go up. Check the link to get the numbers.
In your case a difference of 50 yards between your measured drives and the launch monitors predictions seems to be off the mark somewhere. If this is, as you say, consistent across the board then the only thing I can conclude is that your actual measurements should be checked and you must also be experiencing an unusual ball roll condition.
I would like to be more positive about this but know that most launch monitors are reasonably close to what golfers find based on some very good research. Your case is an anomaly and when you analyze the conditions under which you play and make your measurements you may find the reason for these differences. Let me know when you do.
I'm writing about a frustration I have had for quite sometime and that is reference to topspin in golf shots other than putts. I can't give you a specific example but if you are like me (and my assumption of the notion of topspin full shots is correct) I am sure you have made note of them as well. Frequently, folks talk about hot clubs or shots that have topspin and role out a long away as a result. Could you first confirm that no normally hit shot with any club other than perhaps a putter (and even them most times there is backspin with that club too) that topspin is both not desired and would be a quite rare phenomenon.
I am not a physicist but I believe backspin is what creates lift in a golf ball, along with the dimples of course, and contributes to length of carry. Excessive backspin of course produces more lift than desired generating a flight path that diminishes overall length, as there would be less or sometimes no roll out. Focus now is on optimal backspin along with launch angle and initial velocity to create the most carry and roll out.
Am I correct? -- Gary Marx

You are right. Every ball is hit with back spin, even a putt which is minimal but it does have back spin unless struck with an upward stroke which takes a lot of talent (see The Anatomy of a Putt at where you can see exactly what happens. Dont be fooled into believing otherwise.
For all other shots the only way a ball can stay in the air for any length of time is for it to have a lift force equivalent to or greater than the weight of the ball (the force being applied by gravity). The dimples on the ball create a rough surface creating a turbulent layer of air which believe it or not decrease the resisting drag force after about 50 mph and also, because of the back spin create an airfoil section similar to an aircraft wing. This creates the lift forces, a result of a higher pressure on the underside of the ball than the top side.
A ball with top spin may cover a distance of about 35 yards in the air compared to 250 yards in the air with a similarly struck ball with back spin.
Frank Thomas, inventor of the graphite shaft, is founder of Frankly Golf, a company dedicated to Helping Golfers. Frank is Chief Technical Advisor to The Golf Channel and Golf Digest. He served as Technical Director of the USGA for 26 years and directed the development of the GHIN System and introduced the Stimpmeter to the world of golf. To email a question for possible use in an upcoming Let's Be Frank column, please email
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Hadwin returns to site of last year's 59

By Will GrayJanuary 17, 2018, 11:04 pm

Adam Hadwin had a career season last year, one that included shooting a 59 and winning a PGA Tour event. But those two achievements didn't occur in the same week.

While Hadwin's breakthrough victory came at the Valspar Championship in March, it was at the CareerBuilder Challenge in January when he first made headlines with a third-round 59 at La Quinta Country Club. Hadwin took a lead into the final round as a result, but he ultimately couldn't keep pace with Hudson Swafford.

He went on to earn a spot at the Tour Championship, and Hadwin made his first career Presidents Cup appearance in October. Now the Canadian returns to Palm Springs, eager to improve on last year's result and hoping to earn a spot in the final group for a third straight year after a T-6 finish in 2016.

"A lot of good memories here in the desert," Hadwin told reporters. "I feel very comfortable here, very at home. Lots of Canadians, so it's always fun to play well in front of those crowds and hopefully looking forward to another good week."

Hadwin's 59 last year was somewhat overshadowed, both by the fact that he didn't win the event and that it came just one week after Justin Thomas shot a 59 en route to victory at the Sony Open. But he's still among an exclusive club of just eight players to have broken 60 in competition on Tour and he's eager to get another crack at La Quinta on Saturday.

"If I'm in the same position on 18, I'm gunning for 58 this year," Hadwin said, "not playing safe for 59."

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Rahm: If I thought like Phil, I could not hit a shot

By Will GrayJanuary 17, 2018, 10:39 pm

When it comes to Jon Rahm and Phil Mickelson, there are plenty of common bonds. Both starred at Arizona State, both are now repped by the same agency and Rahm's former college coach and agent, Tim Mickelson, now serves full-time as his brother's caddie.

Those commonalities mean the two men have played plenty of practice rounds together, but the roads quickly diverge when it comes to on-course behavior. Rahm is quick, fiery and decisive; Mickelson is one of the most analytical players on Tour. And as Rahm told reporters Wednesday at the CareerBuilder Challenge, those differences won't end anytime soon.

"I don't need much. 'OK, it's like 120 (yards), this shot, right," Rahm said. "And then you have Phil, it's like, 'Oh, this shot, the moisture, this going on, this is like one mile an hour wind sideways, it's going to affect it one yard. This green is soft, this trajectory. They're thinking, and I'm like, 'I'm lost.' I'm like, 'God if I do that thought process, I could not hit a golf shot.'"

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The tactics may be more simplified, but Rahm can't argue with the results. While Mickelson is in the midst of a winless drought that is approaching five years, Rahm won three times around the world last year and will defend a PGA Tour title for the first time next week at Torrey Pines.

Both men are in the field this week in Palm Springs, where Mickelson will make his 2018 debut with what Rahm fully expects to be another dose of high-level analytics for the five-time major winner with his brother on the bag.

"It's funny, he gets to the green and then it's the same thing. He's very detail-oriented," Rahm said of Mickelson. "I'm there listening and I'm like, 'Man, I hope we're never paired together for anything because I can't think like this. I would not be able to play golf like that. But for me to listen to all that is really fun."

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DJ changes tune on golf ball distance debate

By Will GrayJanuary 17, 2018, 9:16 pm

World No. 1 Dustin Johnson is already one of the longest hitters in golf, so he's not looking for any changes to be made to golf ball technology - despite comments from him that hinted at just such a notion two months ago.

Johnson is in the Middle East this week for the Abu Dhabi HSBC Championship, and he told BBC Sport Wednesday that he wouldn't be in favor of making changes to the golf ball in order to remedy some of the eye-popping distances players are hitting the ball with ever-increasing frequency.

"It's not like we are dominating golf courses," Johnson said. "When was the last time you saw someone make the game too easy? I don't really understand what all the debate is about because it doesn't matter how far it goes; it is about getting it in the hole."

Johnson's rhetorical question might be answered simply by looking back at his performance at the Sentry Tournament of Champions earlier this month, an eight-shot romp that featured a tee shot on the 433-yard 12th hole that bounded down a slope to within inches of the hole.

Johnson appeared much more willing to consider a reduced-distance ball option at the Hero World Challenge in November, when he sat next to tournament host Tiger Woods and supported Woods' notion that the ball should be addressed.

"I don't mind seeing every other professional sport, they play with one ball. All the pros play with the same ball," Johnson said. "In baseball, the guys that are bigger and stronger, they can hit a baseball a lot further than the smaller guys. ... I think there should be some kind of an advantage for guys who work on hitting it far and getting that speed that's needed, so having a ball, like the same ball that everyone plays, there's going to be, you're going to have more of an advantage."

Speaking Wednesday in Abu Dhabi, Johnson stood by the notion that regardless of whether the rules change or stay the same, he plans to have a leg up on the competition.

"If the ball is limited then it is going to limit everyone," he said. "I'm still going to hit it that much further than I guess the average Tour player."

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LPGA lists April date for new LA event

By Golf Channel DigitalJanuary 17, 2018, 8:18 pm

The LPGA’s return to Los Angeles will come with the new Hugel-JTBC Open being played at Wilshire Country Club April 19-22, the tour announced Wednesday.

When the LPGA originally released its schedule, it listed the Los Angeles event with the site to be announced at a later date.

The Hugel-JTBC Open will feature a 144-player field and a $1.5 million purse. It expands the tour’s West Coast swing, which will now be made up of four events in California in March and April.

The LPGA last played in Los Angeles in 2005. Wilshire Country Club hosted The Office Depot in 2001, with Annika Sorenstam winning there.