Spin on US Open Rough

By Frank ThomasMay 29, 2008, 4:00 pm
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The Spin on US Open Rough
 
Frank,
 
I read recently that the USGA is setting up the golf course at Torrey Pines with 3 different rough heights. How will this affect the pros ability to spin the ball? Thanks for your great column every week!
 
--Harry, CA

 
Harry
 
Rough height does have a significant effect on the spin that the pros can apply to the ball, especially with their wedges. First you should understand that grooves play very little part in the amount of spin on the ball under dry conditions where grass does not intervene between the face and the ball--short dry fairways or off a tee on a short par three are examples of this.
 
It has been shown that a sandblasted face without grooves is most effective under dry conditions.
 
However, as soon as grass juice and water -- a lubricant-- intervenes between the ball and the face of a lofted club--which happens most of the time-- the coefficient of friction is reduced and grooves in the clubface are essential.
 
There are some very specific regulations controlling the size and separation of grooves which have been in place for more than 20 years and have proven to be very effective.
 
With reference to the USGA course setup at Torrey Pines from the intermediate rough (about 1 3/4 inches in height) new grooves will have a significant effect on the spin that the pros will be able to apply.
 
However from the first cut of primary rough (about 2 1/2 inches) the spin rate--even with brand new square grooves-- will be significantly reduced.
 
When it comes to the second cut of primary rough (about 3 1/2 inches) grooves will have very little, if any, effect on the spin which can be applied to the ball, especially if the rough is reasonably dense.
 
I would like to congratulate the USGA on reasonably narrow fairways with graduated rough which will put a premium on accuracy and make many of the competitors think twice about using a driver.
 
For your information I believe that the greens will be conditioned to roll at approximately 13 feet on the Stimpmeter which is extremely fast especially if they have dry conditions and the wind blows. For more on the Stimpmeter Click Here.
 
Hopefully this answer will enhance your viewing experience of the US Open.
 
Frank
 
Shaping Shots for Distance
 
If you tested an individual with a relatively high driver club head speed (105 mph), what shot shape would produce the longest total distance, a fade, draw or straight?
 
--Byron, SC

 
Byron,
I assume you are the individual about whom you are inquiring. If so you have a swing speed of 105 mph then you are above average and have very specific launch conditions which you should try to achieve to get maximum distance.
 
These launch conditions are approximately a 13 degrees launch angle with a ball spin rate of 2,500 rpm. These conditions are somewhat dependent on the ball you are using but not different enough to worry about. For more on launch conditions Click Here.
 
The average pro on tour has a swing speed of about 115 mph and can lower his trajectory by about a degree from yours and decrease the spin rate just a little i.e. to about 2,300 rpm.
 
Whatever the case, any side spin will have a detrimental affect on the overall distance, so a straight flight will always give you the maximum distance. We have all heard that a draw will go farther than a fade and this is correct in most cases because the draw generally has a lower trajectory and higher ball speed than the fade and will in most cases roll farther. However, when it comes to optimizing your launch conditions any side spin will take away from the efficiency of the launch and will detrimentally affect the distance.
 
We need to understand also that the optimum launch conditions assume an average flat fairway of average hardness which means approximately 25 yards of roll. If the fairway is harder then a lower trajectory may be the better condition and if you need more carry then a higher launch angle and less spin may be appropriate. But a straight shot will always be the better option.
 
Frank
 
What's Magical About Fourteen Clubs?
 
Frank:
 
What is magical about carrying a maximum of 14 clubs? Why was this number chosen? Why not 12, or 10?
 
I carry 10 to at most 12 clubs at a time, it is all that I can manage effectively. I have found that carrying any more clubs just adds to the confusion, as well as the weight of my golf bag (I always walk a course if allowed). I feel that most amateurs would probably play just as effectively with less than 14 clubs, probably in the 10-12 club range. I feel that a golfer can get away with 15 yards of difference between the irons (especially 4 or 5 iron through 7 or 8 iron), as well as maybe one less fairway wood or hybrid. Driver, a reliable fairway wood or two from the fairway, a hybrid, irons 5,7,8,9, PW, GW, SW, putter and I'll bet the average golfer's handicap doesn't change.
 
--John, MN

 
John,
There is no more magic in carrying the maximum of 14 clubs than buying a new driver every year. The number 14 was adopted in 1938 after the governing bodies felt that some golfers were gaining an undue advantage by carrying up to 22 or more clubs (which included some left handed clubs) and also the concern that this arsenal was becoming quite a burden for many caddies.
 
I, for some time, have proposed that the pros on tour ' the performance about which the USGA is most concerned and for which most performance standards are written ' should carry only ten clubs. This would not only allow them to better exhibit their skills but also delay and hopefully avoid the need to adopt new equipment standards, which will affect all of us. As important, a 10-club limit would improve the entertainment value of the PGA Tour and be the least disruptive method of bifurcation.
 
John, you are correct that most of us ' this includes a university team which conducted such an experiment ' would score no worse if we used fewer clubs than the full compliment.
 
The manufacturers dont like to hear this, as you can imagine, but the more imaginative ones are producing short (in number) sets which seem to be accepted by many golfers who themselves have learned that fewer clubs are not only easier to carry but in general perform as well or better without the full 14.
 
My personal experience is that at the beginning of May this year while playing in St Andrews on the Old Course ' carrying my own bag -- I had only 10 clubs and they performed very well. The advantage is that when I found myself between clubs, I would take out the longer club and make an easier swing ' which in my case is almost always a better swing than a hard full swing ' and found myself about where I wanted to be for the next shot.
 
I notice in your proposed set you focus on the long and short game mostly. This seems to be the best option.
 
John, if you havent read my book Just Hit It please get a copy as with your passion for the game you will enjoy it very much. Click Here to learn more.
 
Keep walking whenever you can.
 
Frank.
 
Frank Thomas, inventor of the graphite shaft, is founder of Frankly Golf, a company dedicated to Helping Golfers. Frank is Chief Technical Advisor to The Golf Channel and Golf Digest. He served as Technical Director of the USGA for 26 years and directed the development of the GHIN System and introduced the Stimpmeter to the world of golf. To email a question for possible use in an upcoming Let's Be Frank column, please email letsbefrank@franklygolf.com
 
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Perez skips Torrey, 'upset' with Ryder Cup standings

By Will GrayJanuary 24, 2018, 2:19 am

Pat Perez is unhappy about his standing on the U.S. Ryder Cup points list, and his situation won't improve this week.

Perez won the CIMB Classic during the fall portion of this season, and he followed that with a T-5 finish at the inaugural CJ Cup. But he didn't receive any Ryder Cup points for either result because of a rule enacted by the American task force prior to the 2014 Ryder Cup which only awards points during the calendar year of the biennial matches as well as select events like majors and WGCs during the prior year.

As a result, Perez is currently 17th in the American points race - behind players like Patrick Reed, Zach Johnson, Bill Haas and James Hahn, none of whom have won a tournament since the 2016 Ryder Cup - as he looks to make a U.S. squad for the first time at age 42.

"That kind of upset me a little bit, the fact that I'm (17) on the list, but I should probably be (No.) 3 or 4," Perez told Golf Digest. "So it kind of put a bitter taste in my mouth. The fact that you win on the PGA Tour and you beat some good players, yet you don't get any points because of what our committee has decided to do."

Perez won't be earning any points this week because he has opted to tee it up at the European Tour's Omega Dubai Desert Classic. The decision comes after Perez finished T-21 last week at the Singapore Open, and it means that the veteran is missing the Farmers Insurance Open in his former hometown of San Diego for the first time since 2001.

Perez went to high school a few minutes from Torrey Pines, and he defeated a field that included Tiger Woods to win the junior world title on the South Course in 1993. His father, Tony, has been a longtime starter on the tournament's opening hole, and Perez was a runner-up in 2014 and tied for fourth last year.

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Woods favored to miss Farmers Insurance Open cut

By Will GrayJanuary 24, 2018, 1:54 am

If the Las Vegas bookmakers are to be believed, folks in the San Diego area hoping to see Tiger Woods this week might want to head to Torrey Pines early.

Woods is making his first competitive start of the year this week at the Farmers Insurance Open, and it will be his first official start on the PGA Tour since last year's event. He missed nearly all of 2017 because of a back injury before returning with a T-9 finish last month at the Hero World Challenge.

But the South Course at Torrey Pines is a far different test than Albany, and the Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook lists Woods as a -180 favorite to miss the 36-hole cut. It means bettors must wager $180 to win $100, while his +150 odds to make the cut mean a bettor can win $150 with a $100 wager.

Woods is listed at 25/1 to win. He won the tournament for the seventh time in 2013, but in three appearances since he has missed the 36-hole cut, missed the 54-hole cut and withdrawn after 12 holes.

Here's a look at the various Woods-related prop bets available at the Westgate:

Will Woods make the 36-hole cut? Yes +150, No -180

Lowest single-round score (both courses par 72): Over/Under 70

Highest single-round score: Over/Under 74.5

Will Woods finish inside the top 10? Yes +350, No -450

Will Woods finish inside the top 20? Yes +170, No -200

Will Woods withdraw during the tournament? Yes +650, No -1000

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Monahan buoyed by Tour's sponsor agreements

By Rex HoggardJanuary 24, 2018, 12:27 am

SAN DIEGO – Farmers Insurance announced on Tuesday at Torrey Pines a seven-year extension of the company’s sponsorship of the Southern California PGA Tour event. This comes on the heels of Sony extending its sponsorship of the year’s first full-field event in Hawaii through 2022.

Although these might seem to be relatively predictable moves, considering the drastic makeover of the Tour schedule that will begin with the 2018-19 season, it is a telling sign of the confidence corporations have in professional golf.

“It’s a compliment to our players and the value that the sponsors are achieving,” Tour commissioner Jay Monahan said.

Monahan said that before 2014 there were no 10-year title sponsorship agreements in place. Now there are seven events sponsored for 10-years, and another five tournaments that have agreements in place of at least seven years.

“What it means is, it gives organizations like the Century Club [which hosts this week’s Farmers Insurance Open], when you have that level of stability on a long-term basis that allows you to invest in your product, to grow interest and to grow the impact of it,” Monahan said. “You experienced what this was like in 2010 or seen other tournaments that you don’t know what the future is.S o to go out and sell and inspire a community and you can’t state that we have a long-term agreement it’s more difficult.”

Events like this year’s Houston Open, Colonial in Fort Worth, Texas, and The National all currently don’t have title sponsors – although officials at Colonial are confident they can piece together a sponsorship package. But even that is encouraging to Monahan considering the uncertainty surrounding next season’s schedule, which will include the PGA Championship moving to May and The Players to March as well as a pre-Labor Day finish to the season.

“When you look back historically to any given year [the number of events needing sponsors] is lower than the typical average,” Monahan said. “As we start looking to a new schedule next year, you get excited about a great schedule with a great group of partners.”

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Day WDs from Farmers pro-am because of sore back

By Golf Channel DigitalJanuary 24, 2018, 12:07 am

SAN DIEGO – Jason Day has withdrawn from the Wednesday pro-am at the Farmers Insurance Open, citing a sore back.

Day, the 2015 champion, played a practice round with Tiger Woods and Bryson DeChambeau on Tuesday at Torrey Pines, and he is still expected to play in the tournament.

Day was replaced in the pro-am by Whee Kim. 

Making his first start since the Australian Open in November, Day is scheduled to tee off at 1:30 p.m. ET Thursday alongside Jon Rahm and Brandt Snedeker.