Golf Talk Live - Byron Nelson Transcript Segment 1
JAN. 26, 2001
BYRON NELSON IS THE FATHER OF THE MODERN SWING. HE WAS THE FIRST PLAYER TO FIND THE IDEAL SWING WITH WHICH TO PLAY STEEL SHAFTED CLUBS. IT'S A SWING THAT OTHER PLAYERS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO COPY THE ESSENTIAL FEATURES OF SINCE THE MID 1930'S.
MEET BYRON NELSON, NOW, ON GOLF TALK LIVE.
BYRON NELSON WAS THE FIRST PLAYER TO WORK OUT A SWING IN THE EARLY 1930'S THAT MAXIMIZED THE EFFECTIVENESS AND POTENTIAL OF THE NEWLY INTRODUCED STEEL SHAFTED CLUBS. MORE UPRIGHT. LESS AROUND. LESS
HANDSY. MORE ONE PIECE. WITH ACTIVE FEET AND LEGS AND A LATERAL MOVE THROUGH THE BALL WITH THE CLUB AND HANDS AHEAD AND HIS HEAD BACK. HE TURNED PRO FOR A $5 ENTRY FEE AND
WON $75 FOR FINISHING THIRD IN HIS FIRST EVENT IN 1932. AS A PLAYING ASSISTANT IN 1935 AT RIDGEWOOD COUNTRY CLUB IN NEW JERSEY, HE WON THE NEW JERSEY OPEN AND THE NEW JERSEY PGA AND THE
METROPOLITAN OPEN AT QUAKER RIDGE, HIS FIRST IMPORTANT VICTORY. AND HE BEGAN TO BEAT THE PLAYERS HE WOULD CONTINUE TO BEAT UNTIL HE RETIRED IN 1946 AT THE AGE OF 34. PLAYERS LIKE,
CRAIG WOOD, PAUL RUNYAN, HARRY COOPER, DENNY SCHUTE, HENRY PICKARD, SAM SNEAD, BEN HOGAN, JUG MCSPADEN, JOHNNY BULLA, RALPH GOUDAL.
HE WON THE MASTERS IN 1937 AND 1942.
THE U.S. OPEN IN 1939.
THE PGA CHAMPIONSHIP IN 1940 AND 1945. HIS 18 WIN, 11 IN A ROW SEASON IN 1945 WAS SET UP BY HIS GREAT YEAR IN 1944 WHEN HE WON SIX TIMES WITH A SCORING AVERAGE OF 69.67. HE HIT IT SO PURE, SO OFTEN, SO CONSISTENTLY, THAT HE OCCASIONALLY BECAME BORED.
HE DETERMINED AFTER THE '44 SEASON THAT HE WOULD WORK ON HIS CHIPPING AND REDUCE CARELESS SHOTS IN 1945. HE WON MONEY IN 113 CONSECUTIVE EVENTS AT A TIME WHEN ONLY 15 OR 20 PLACES EARNED MONEY. HE SET A SINGLE SEASON
SCORING RECORD OF 68.33 IN 1945 WHICH STOOD UNTIL TIGER BROKE IT IN 2000. HE PASSED ON HIS KNOWLEDGE TO PLAYERS FROM KEN VENTURI TO TOM WATSON
AND TODAY AT 88, WHEN HE SEES A PLAYER ON TELEVISION LIKE JUSTIN LEONARD, WITH THE WAGGLE THAT BYRON DEEMS TOO HANDSY, HE PICKS UP THE PHONE, ASKS TO SEE JUSTIN AND MAKES THE SEVERAL HOUR DRIVE TO DEMONSTRATE HOW IT'S DONE. JUST LIKE HE'S BEEN DOING SINCE 1932.
WELCOME TO GOLF TALK LIVE. I'M PETER KESSLER. GREAT PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO ONE OF THE FINEST PLAYERS, ONE OF THE FINEST PEOPLE TO EVER PLAY THE GAME, BYRON NELSON. AN HONOR TO SEE YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PETER. I LOVE TO BE HERE AND TO ENJOY BEING ON THE... TELLY WITH YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR. PRE-MATURE HAPPY BIRTHDAY, IF I MIGHT.
WELL THANK YOU. I HOPE THE GOOD LORD WILL LET ME LIVE TILL NEXT WEEK FOR IT.
YOU'RE THE ONLY GUY I KNOW, WHO'S BEEN RETIRED FOR 55 YEARS. YOU RETIRED AT AGE 34, HOW'S THE RETIREMENT GOING?
WELL THAT'S STILL GOING THANK GOODNESS. (LAUGHS). BUT IT'S GOING BUSY, I STAY VERY BUSY AND I STILL AM VERY ACTIVE IN GOLF. I DON'T PLAY VERY MUCH GOLF, VERY SELDOM BUT I MAKE ABOUT 8 OR 9 APPEARANCES TO A TOURNAMENT OR THE RYDER CUP OR A
PRESIDENT'S CUP OR THE PLAYER'S CHAMPIONSHIP OR A SENIOR TOURNAMENT EACH YEAR AND SO I STILL STAY VERY CLOSE TO GOLF AND THE, ONE OF THE NICE THINGS IS THAT THE PLAYERS, BECAUSE I'M AN OLD SENIOR OUT THERE WALKING AROUND AND
LOOKING AND WATCHING THEM, WHY THEY DO APPRECIATE ME BEING OUT THERE.
EVERY TIME SOMEONE HAS, AND IT'S ONLY HAPPENED A FEW TIMES IN THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS, A YEAR TO REMEMBER FOREVER ON THE GOLF COURSE, IT ALWAYS EVOKES COMPARISONS WITH YOU AND I'M
WONDERING BETWEEN JONES' 1930
YOUR 1945, HOGAN'S '53 AND TIGER'S 2000. HOW DO YOU RANK THEM?
WELL I KIND OF RANK THEM IN THE WAY THAT YOU JUST STARTED BECAUSE ACTUALLY, SEE, JONES' HAS BEEN KIND OF PLAYED DOWN, HIS GRAND SLAM, IN 1930 AND THE REASON FOR IT WAS, SEE, PEOPLE NOW FEEL THAT AMATEURS DON'T PLAY LIKE THE PROFESSIONALS BUT SEE
THERE WAS SO LITTLE MONEY IN GOLF IN THOSE DAYS THAT THE FINE AMATEURS STAYED AMATEURS BECAUSE THEY WENT INTO BUSINESS AND MADE A LIVING IN A BUSINESS AND SO THE, THE TOP AMATEURS IN THOSE DAYS, YOU TAKE JONES, WAMETT (??06:38), CHICK EVANS, THOSE THREE PLAYERS TO MENTION, NOT MENTION MANY MORE, PLAYED WONDERFULLY WELL
AND BEAT THE PROS BUT, AND NOW THEN THE PROS HAVE SOME... IT'S A COMPLETE DIFFERENT GAME. THE YOUNG KID NOW SEES THAT TIGER WOODS OR WHOEVER WINS A THOUSAND DOLLARS OR TEN, A MILLION DOLLARS OR 400 THOUSAND, THEY WANT TO START
PLAYING GOLF. THEY SEE THEM, PLAYING A LITTLE BIT, WELL NOW THEN THEY WANT TO GO OUT AND PLAY AND THEY, THEY CAN PICTURE THEMSELVES TRYING TO BEAT TIGER WOOD OR, OR BEATING DAVID DUVAL OR TOM LAYMAN OR ALL
THESE FINE PLAYERS, THINKING TO, HOW MUCH FUN JUST TO PLAY GOLF AND TO MAKE THAT MONEY. WELL IT WASN'T SO IN THOSE DAYS. THEY PLAYED GOLF, YOU PLAYED GOLF THEN FOR FUN ALMOST.
HOW QUICKLY, AFTER STEEL SHAFTS WERE INTRODUCED, DID THEY REALLY CATCH ON IN THE VERY EARLY 1930'S?
(LAUGHS) WELL IT'S A FUNNY THING. WHEN THEY FIRST CAME OUT, THE UH, I WAS AMAZED BECAUSE I LIKED THEM RIGHT AWAY, AND, OF COURSE I'D STARTED PLAYING WITH THE HICKORY
SHAFT AND NATURALLY I PLAYED THE ROLLING THE, PRONATION OF THE OLD (???UNINTELLIGIBLE) WHICH
YOU HAD TO DO TO USE THE HICKORY SHAFT AND THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT GOLF PLAYED THAT WAY, BUT I LOVED THEM RIGHT AWAY, BUT IT'S A FUNNY THING,
MANY, MANY PEOPLE SAID IT'LL NEVER CATCH ON. IT'LL NEVER REPLACE STEEL.
WHAT DID IT SAY ABOUT GENE SARAZON THAT HE COULD WIN MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIPS IN THE 20'S WITH HICKORY AND WIN MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIPS IN THE 30'S WITH STEEL, ABOUT HIS ADAPTABILITY, ABOUT HIS ABILITY TO PLAY NO MATTER WHAT?
WELL, THE SARAZON HAD AN UNUSUAL ATTITUDE ABOUT THE GAME. HE WAS ALWAYS VERY VOCAL ABOUT IT AND SOMETIMES VERY CRITICAL OF THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON, AND, BUT GENE HAD A TYPE OF SWING THAT WOULD WIN REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE WAS USING, BECAUSE HIS SWING, YOU KNOW, I, I
STARTED SEEING GENE PLAY, AND THEN I STARTED PLAYING WITH GENE IN THE MID, MID LATE 30'S AND I PLAYED GENE TWICE IN THE PGA CHAMPIONSHIP WHEN HE WAS STILL PLAYING GREAT AND I WAS FORCED INTO (??) ON HIM BOTH TIMES, AND UH, SO HIS SWING WAS SO REPEATABLE, HE
DIDN'T HAVE ANY FALSE MOTIONS IN IT. HE WAS FAIRLY SHORT AND STALKY AND HE'D, HE'D JUST TURNED TO COME BACK AND HIT IT AND HE SET THE CLUB EXACTLY IN THE SAME POSITION. NATURALLY WHEN HE USING A HICKORY HE'D PRONATE A LITTLE BIT, WELL HE
QUIT PRONATING WHEN THE, WHEN THE STEEL CAME OUT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T, AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING HE HAD CHANGED. HE STARTED TAKING IT AWAY THIS WAY INSTEAD OF OPENING THE FACE
OF THE CLUB AND CLOSE IT BACK BECAUSE OF THE TORQUE IN THE WOODEN SHAFT, SO THAT'S WHY HIS GAME, HE COULD, GENE SARAZON COULD HAVE PLAYED WITH A SHINNY STICK.
NOW I'M TELLING YOU. HE WAS SO GOOD. I, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING BECAUSE GENE AND I, YOU KNOW, FOR A LONG TIME, GENE AND I AND SNEAD PLAYED NINE HOLES AT THE MASTERS STARTING THE TOURNAMENT AND THEN WE GOT TOO OLD TO PLAY THE NINE SO WE STARTED HITTING BALLS OFF THE FIRST TEE.
I DON'T, AND I PLAYED GENE TWICE IN THE PGA CHAMPIONSHIP, ONE IN 1941 AND AGAIN IN 1945 AND I NEVER SAW HIM HIT A, I DON'T SAY HE HIT EVERY SHOT PERFECT AND I DON'T MEAN THAT, BUT I NEVER SAW HIM HIT A SHOT LIKE YOU SEE SOME PLAYERS NOW KNOCKING OFF THE WOODS HERE
AND KNOCK IT OFF HERE. NOW HE MISSED SOME SHOTS. THEY VARIED SOME, BUT HE WAS
(MAKES SOUND WITH HIS MOUTH, 4 TIMES, REPRESENTING THE SOUND OF A GOLF CLUB SWINGING)
YOU, YOU KNEW YOU WAS GOING TO PLAY GOOD TO BEAT HIM BECAUSE HE DIDN'T MAKE MANY MISTAKES.
THAT'S WHAT HE SAID ABOUT YOU.
WELL, OF COURSE, COURSE I BEAT HIM TWICE.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH BYRON NELSON.
The Tiger comeback just got real on Friday
PALM BEACH GARDENS, Fla. – Slow play was a big storyline on the PGA Tour’s West Coast swing, but not so much anymore.
Not with Tiger Woods speeding things up Friday at the Honda Classic.
Not with Woods thumping the gas pedal around PGA National’s Champion Course, suddenly looking as if he is racing way ahead of schedule in his return to the game.
The narrative wondrously started to turn here.
It turned from wondering at week’s start if Woods could make the cut here, after missing it last week at the Genesis Open. His game was too wild for Riviera, where a second-round 76 left him looking lost with the Masters just six weeks away.
It turned in head-spinning fashion Friday with Woods climbing the leaderboard in tough conditions to get himself into weekend contention with a 1-over-par 71.
He is just four shots off the lead.
“I’d be shocked if he’s not there Sunday with a chance to win,” said Brandt Snedeker, who played alongside Woods in the first two rounds. “He’s close to playing some really, really good golf.”
Just a few short months ago, so many of us were wondering if Woods was close to washed up.
“He’s only going to improve,” Snedeker said. “The more time he has, as the weather gets warmer, he’ll feel better and be able to practice more.”
Snedeker has had a front-row seat for this speedy Tiger turnaround. He played the third round with Woods at the Farmers Insurance Open last month. That was Woods’ first PGA Tour start in a year.
How much improvement did Snedeker see from that Torrey Pines experience?
“It was kind of what I expected – significantly improved,” Snedeker said. “His iron game is way better. His driver is way better. I don’t’ see it going backward from here.”
This was the hope packed into Friday’s new narrative.
“I’m right there in the ballgame,” Woods said. “I really played well today. I played well all day today.”
Tiger sent a jolt through PGA National when his name hit the top 10 of the leaderboard. He didn’t do it with a charge. He did it battling a brutish course in wintry, blustery winds, on “scratchy” and “dicey” greens that made par a good score.
When Woods holed a 25-foot putt at the ninth to move into red numbers at 1 under overall and within three shots of the lead, a roar shook across the Champion Course.
“It got a little loud, which was cool to see,” Snedeker said. “It’s great to have that energy and vibe back.”
Woods sent fans scampering to get into position, blasting a 361-yard drive at the 10th, cutting the corner. He had them buzzing when he stuck his approach to 9 feet for another birdie chance to get within two of the lead.
“I thought if he makes it, this place will go nuts, and he could get it going like he used to,” Snedeker said.
Woods missed, but with the leaders falling back to him on this grueling day, he stuck his approach at the 12th to 10 feet to give himself a chance to move within a shot of the lead.
It’s another putt that could have turned PGA National upside down, but Woods missed that.
“It really is hard to make birdies,” he said. “At least I found it hard. It was hard to get the ball close, even if the ball is in the fairway, it's still very difficult to get the ball close, with the wind blowing as hard as it is. It’s hard to make putts out here.”
Patton Kizzire, a two-time PGA Tour winner who won just last month at the Sony Open, could attest to how tough the test at Honda has become. He played alongside Woods this week for the first time in his career. He shot 78 Friday and missed the cut.
Kizzire had a close-up look at what suddenly seems possible for Woods again.
“He’s figuring it out,” Kizzire said. “He hit some nice shots and rolled in some nice putts. It was pretty impressive.”
Woods could not hide his excitement in getting himself in the weekend hunt, but his expectations remain tempered in this comeback. He knows the daily referendums his game is subject to, how we can all make the highs too high and the lows too low.
“We’ve got a long way to go,” Woods said.
Woods lost a tee shot in a bush at the second hole and made bogey. He hit his tee shot in the water at the 15th and made double bogey. He three-putted the 16th to make bogey. He knows this course can derail a player’s plans in a hurry, but he knows his game is quickly coming around.
“I’m right there where I can win a golf tournament,” Woods said. “Four back on this golf course with 36 holes to go, I mean, anybody can win this golf tournament right now. It’s wide open.’”
Woods hit his shot of the day at the 17th to right his game after the struggles at the 15th and 16th. He did so in front of the Goslings Bear Trap Party Pavilion, cutting a 5-iron to 12 feet. It was the hardest hole on the course Friday, with nearly one of every three players rinsing a shot in the water there. Woods made birdie there to ignite an explosion of cheers. He got a standing ovation.
“I was telling you guys, I love Riviera, I just don't play well there,” Woods said. “So here we are, we're back at a golf course I know and I play well here.”
So here we are, on the precipice of something special again?
Woods seems in a hurry to find out.
List, Lovemark lead; Tiger four back at Honda
PALM BEACH GARDENS, Fla. – Even with a tee shot into the water for another double bogey, Tiger Woods could see the big picture in the Honda Classic.
He was four shots out of the lead going into the weekend.
Luke List delivered a round not many others found possible in such difficult conditions Friday, a 4-under 66 that gave him a share of the lead with Jamie Lovemark (69). They were at 3-under 137, the highest score to lead at the halfway point of the Honda Classic since it moved to PGA National in 2007.
So bunched were the scores that Woods was four shots out of the lead and four shots from last place among the 76 players who made the cut at 5-over 145. More importantly, he only had 13 players in front of him.
''This is a difficult golf course right now,'' Woods said. ''Making pars is a good thing. I've done that, and I'm right there with a chance.''
And he has plenty of company.
Tommy Fleetwood, who won the Race to Dubai on the European Tour last year, scratched out a 68 and was one shot out of the lead along with Webb Simpson (72), Russell Henley (70) and Rory Sabbatini (69).
Justin Thomas and Daniel Berger each shot 72 and were in a large group at 139. They were among only 10 players remaining under par.
Fleetwood laughed when asked the last time he was at 2 under after 36 holes and only one shot out of the lead.
''Maybe some junior event,'' he said. ''It's good, though. These are the toughest test in golf. Generally, one of the best players prevail at the end of weeks like this. Weeks like this challenge you to the ultimate level. Whether you shoot two 80s or you lead after two rounds, you can see what you need to do and see where your game is. Because this is as hard as it's ever going to get for you.''
The difficulty was primarily from the wind, which blew just as hard in the morning when List shot his 66 as it did in the afternoon. More aggravating to the players are the greens, which are old and bare, firm and crusty. It's a recipe for not making many putts.
Defending champion Rickie Fowler had six bogeys on his front nine and shot 77 to miss the cut.
''It's unfortunate that the greens have changed this much in a year,'' Fowler said. ''They typically get slick and quick on the weekend because they dry out, but at least there's some sort of surface. But like I said, everyone's playing the same greens.''
It looked as though List was playing a different course when he went out with a bogey-free 32 on the back nine, added a pair of birdies on the front nine and then dropped his only shot when he caught an awkward lie in the bunker on the par-3 seventh.
''It's very relentless,'' List said. ''There's not really too many easy holes, but if you hit fairways and go from there, you can make a few birdies out there.''
List and Lovemark, both Californians, have never won on the PGA Tour. This is the third time List has had at least a share of the 36-hole lead, most recently in South Korea at the CJ Cup, where he shot 76-72 on the weekend.
''It's kind of irrelevant because there's going to be 30 guys within a couple shots of the lead,'' List said. ''It's going to be that type of week.''
He was exaggerating – there were 11 players within three shots of the lead.
And there was another guy four shots behind.
Woods brought big energy to a Friday afternoon that already was hopping before he overcame a sluggish start and holed a 25-foot birdie putt on No. 9 to make the turn at 1 under for his round, and leaving him two shots out of the lead. Everyone knew it just from listening to the roars.
Woods had his chances, twice missing birdie putts from inside 10 feet at Nos. 10 and 12, sandwiched around a 12-foot par save. His round appeared to come undone when he found the water on the 15th and made double bogey for the second straight day.
Then, he hit out of a fairway bunker, over the water and onto the green at the dangerous 16th hole and faced a 65-foot putt. He misread the speed and the line, so badly that it was similar to a car driving from Chicago to Denver and winding up in Phoenix. A bogey dropped him to 2 over.
The big moment was the 17th hole, 184 waters into the wind and over water. That's where Rory McIlroy made triple bogey earlier in the day that ruined his otherwise solid round of 72, leaving him seven behind. Making it even tougher for Woods is the Brandt Snedeker hit 5-iron before him to about 6 feet. Woods got to the tee and the wind died, meaning 5-iron was too much and 6-iron wouldn't clear the water.
He went with the 5-iron.
''I started that thing pretty far left and hit a pretty big cut in there because I had just too much stick,'' Wood said.
It landed 12 feet below the hole for a birdie putt.
Thomas made 17 pars and a double bogey when he three-putted from 6 feet on No. 16. He felt the same way as Woods.
''I'm in a good spot – really good spot – going into this week,'' Thomas said.
Woods to play with Dufner (12:10 p.m.) in third round
PALM BEACH GARDENS, Fla. – Tiger Woods will play alongside Jason Dufner in the third round of the Honda Classic.
Woods and Dufner, both at 1-over 141, four shots back, will tee off at 12:10 p.m. ET Saturday at PGA National. They’re in the 10th-to-last group.
Co-leaders Luke List and Jamie Lovemark will go at 1:40 p.m.
Some of the other late pairings include Justin Thomas and Daniel Berger, who will be playing together for the third consecutive day, at 1 p.m.; Louis Oosthuizen and Thomas Pieters (1:10 p.m.); and Webb Simpson and Russell Henley, in the penultimate group at 1:30 p.m.
Woods doesn't mind 'fun' but brutal 17th hole
PALM BEACH GARDENS, Fla. – Tiger Woods doesn’t mind the boisterous crowd that surrounds the par-3 17th hole at PGA National.
And why should he?
When the wind died down Friday afternoon, Woods played a “big ol’ cut” with a 5-iron that dropped 12 feet from the cup. He made the putt – one of just nine birdies on the day – and when he walked off the green, the fans gave him a standing ovation.
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The scene is expected to be even more raucous Saturday at the Honda Classic, especially with Woods in contention.
There is a Goslings Bear Trap tent just to the right of the tee. The hole has become a hot topic in recent years, after a few players complained that the noise from the nearby crowd was distracting as they tried to play a wind-blown, 190-yard shot over water.
Woods was asked his thoughts on the party setup after finishing his second-round 71.
“As long as they don’t yell in our golf swings, we’re fine,” he said. “They can be raucous. They are having a great time. It’s fun. They are having a blast, and hopefully we can execute golf shots, but as long as they don’t yell in our golf swings, everything’s cool.”
After the recent Waste Management Phoenix Open, a few players told Woods that fans were trying to time their screams with the players’ downswings.
“There’s really no reason to do that,” Woods said. “I think that most of the people there at 17 are golfers, and they understand how hard a golf shot that is. So they are being respectful, but obviously libations are flowing.”
The 17th played as the most difficult hole on the course Friday, with a 3.74 scoring average and a combined score to par of 104 over. More than a quarter of the tee shots found the water.