Golf Talk Live - Johnny Bulla Transcript Segment 1
WHEN JOHNNY BULLA AND SAM SNEAD DROVE WEST TO JOIN THE TOUR IN 1936, SNEAD SUGGESTED THEY SPLIT THEIR WINNINGS FOR A WHILE. BULLA SAID NO BECAUSE HE WAS SURE SAM COULDN'T PLAY WELL ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY. MEET JOHNNY BULLA, NOW, ON GOLF TALK LIVE.
WHEN JOHNNY BULLA BEGAN TO CADDIE IN 1925, HE KEPT HIS EYE ON THE BALL AND ALSO ON THE EVENTS THAT SHAPED THE 1920'S AND '30'S. HE REMEMBERS LINDBERGH'S SOLO FLIGHT FROM NEW YORK TO PARIS AND BABE RUTH'S 60 HOME RUNS IN 1927. THE STOCK MARKET CRASH OF 1929, AND BOBBY JONES' GRAND SLAM OF 1930.
IT WAS A TIME WHEN LOUIS ARMSTRONG AND GEORGE GERSHWIN WERE INVENTING AND PERFECTING JAZZ. WHEN HEMMINGWAY AND FITZGERALD WERE RIVALS IN THEIR PRIME. AL JOLSON SANG ON FILM IN THE FIRST TALKING PICTURE. HICKORY GAVE WAY TO STEEL AND WINGED FOOT AND AUGUSTA NATIONAL AND CYPRESS POINT OPENED FOR PLAY.
SAM SNEAD HAD HAIR, AND GENE SARAZON PERFECTED THE SAND WEDGE. THIS WAS THE BEGINNING OF JOHNNY BULLA'S TIME. HE WATCHED JONES AND McKENZIE BUILD AUGUSTA NATIONAL.
HE WATCHED SNEAD LOSE HIS HAIR AND HE LIVED THE LIFE HE WANTED, AS A PLAYER, AS A WINNER, AS ONE OF THE MEN WHO HELPED BUILD THE TOUR WHEN IT'S CAST OF CHARACTERS WAS AS FASCINATING AS THE TIMES THEY LIVED IN.
WELCOME TO GOLF TALK LIVE, I'M PETER KESSLER AND IT IS AN HONOR TO INTRODUCE YOU TO ONE OF GOLF'S GREAT PIONEERS AND ONE OF THE GAME'S BEST FRIENDS, JOHNNY BULLA.
I'M SO HAPPY TO SEE YOU AGAIN, JOHNNY.
THANK YOU, PETER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, PETER. I'M GLAD TO BE BACK.
WELL THANK YOU SIR. SOMETHING I'VE NEVER ASKED YOU AND HAVE MEANT TO IS WHEN YOU AND SNEAD GOT IN THAT CAR IN '36 TO DRIVE OUT TO CALIFORNIA TO JOIN THE TOUR, WHY DIDN'T YOU THINK HE WOULD WIN ENOUGH MONEY
TO MAKE IT REASONABLE FOR YOU TO SPLIT THE WINNINGS WITH HIM?
WELL HE HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD. HE WASN'T THAT GREAT A PLAYER UNTIL HE GOT A NEW DRIVER AND A NEW PUTTER. THOSE TWO THINGS JUST TURNED HIS GAME RIGHT AROUND AND BESIDES, IF WE HAD SPLIT, IF, IF I HAD WON A LOT HE'D HAVE SPLIT. THE FIRST TIME HE WON SOMETHING THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO SPLIT, I'LL GUARANTEE YOU.
SO YOU KNEW HIM PRETTY WELL, THAT WASN'T A HELLO, HOW DO YOU DO, WHEN YOU GOT IN THE CAR, WAS IT?
YOU GOT TO BELIEVE IT.
WHEN YOU WENT TO WATCH THEM BUILD, McKENZIE AND JONES BUILD AUGUSTA NATIONAL IN 1931, IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT COMPELLED YOU AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M GUESSING COMPELLED YOU WAS THAT JONES' GRAND SLAM YEAR OF 1930 MADE AN
AWFULLY DEEP AND INDELIBLE IMPRESSION ON YOU. TELL ME YOUR REACTION TO JONES' 1930.
WELL JONES WAS OF COURSE THE, THE HERO OF GOLF. HE, HE REALLY BROUGHT THE ATTENTION TO THE WORLD WITH HIS GOLF GAME, AND I THINK THAT WAS REALLY THE BEGINNING OF THE REAL EXPLOSION INTO GOLF.
WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION, THOUGH, AS HE WAS DOING SOMETHING THAT YEAR IN 1930 THAT HAD NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE, WIN THE OPENS OF GREAT BRITAIN AND THE UNITED STATES, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT THING NOW, WE CAN FIX IT LATER AND WINNING THE AMATEUR CHAMPIONSHIPS OF GREAT BRITAIN AND THE UNITED STATES IN THE COURSE OF A SINGLE CALENDAR YEAR?
WELL THAT, THAT SHOWED TALENT THAT NOBODY ELSE HAD. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT HE WAS BY FAR, IN A WAY, THE BEST PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY AT THAT TIME, AND I THINK HIS RECORD SHOWS THAT HE WAS ONE OF THE ALL TIME GREATS.
WHEN YOU WENT TO WATCH THEM BUILD THE GOLF COURSE THE NEXT YEAR, WHAT STRUCK YOU THE MOST, WHAT'S THE MOST VIVID MEMORY YOU HAVE OF WATCHING THAT WORK?
WELL THE THING THAT IMPRESSED ME THE MOST, THEY HAD A STEAM SHOVEL THAT WAS DIGGING OUT RAZOR CREEK AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A STEAM SHOVEL BEFORE. THE GOLF COURSE HAD VERY LITTLE TREES ON IT, ON IT WAS A NURSERY.
I SAW THEM CUT DOWN PINE TREES THAT WAS ON THE 13TH GREEN TO MAKE THE GREEN AND THEY'D, THEY'D SAW IT DOWN AND THEN PUT A STICK OF DYNAMITE UNDER THE ROOTS TO BLOW IT OUT AND THEN FILL THE HOLES IN.
IT WAS A LONG TEDIOUS WORK. YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU HAVE NOW. IT WAS ALL DONE BY HAND, MOSTLY.
IS THE LONG TEDIOUS WORK THAT YOU WERE WATCHING THE REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T ASK HIM FOR A JOB?
NO, I WASN'T INTERESTED IN A JOB. I DIDN'T EVEN CONSIDER A JOB, I JUST WANTED TO SEE IT. I'D HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT IT. SO MUCH ABOUT THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD THIS GOLF COURSE THAT I, WELL, I WAS PRETTY YOUNG THEN.
I, I DON'T THINK THEY'D HAVE GIVEN ME A JOB IF I'D ASKED THEM UNLESS I'D BEEN WATER BOY.
RIGHT AT THAT TIME, THE CONVERSION WAS TAKING PLACE IN THIS COUNTRY FROM HICKORY TO STEEL IN THE EARLY 1930. EVEN WHEN JONES DESIGNED HIS FIRST SET OF CLUBS FOR SPALDING THEY CODED WITH PAINT THE STEEL SHAFTS
TAN TO MAKE THEM LOOK LIKE HICKORY, SO THEY'D BE READILY ACCEPTED TO THE EYE. WHEN YOU MADE THAT CONVERSION, WHEN ALL OF YOU DID, DID THAT ALLOW YOU FOR THE FIRST TIME TO
PRACTICE AS MUCH AS YOU WANT BECAUSE THE STEEL SHAFT COULD HANDLE THE POUNDING AND THE HICKORY SHAFT WAS TOO FRAGILE AND FICKLE TO HANDLE THE POUNDING OF PRACTICE?
WELL LET ME CORRECT ONE THING. THEY DIDN'T PAINT THE SHAFT. THEY PUT A CELLULOID SHEATH ON IT THAT LOOKS LIKE HICKORY. IT HAD LINES IN IT AND IT LOOKED LIKE A HICKORY SHAFT THAT WAS PUT OVER THE STEEL SHAFT.
I DON'T THINK IT INTERFERED WITH THE PLAY. SURE WE BROKE A LOT OF SHAFTS AND THEY GOT WARPED AND EVERYTHING BUT IF YOU WANT TO PRACTICE IT WASN'T TOO HARD TO PUT ANOTHER SHAFT IN.
WHAT DID IT MAKE YOU DO DIFFERENTLY IN TERMS OF THE WAY YOU SWUNG THE GOLF CLUB?
YOU KNOW PETER, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU... I DON'T KNOW.
BECAUSE I, BACK THEN IT WAS HIT THE GOLF BALL AND WE WASN'T THAT REFINED ON WHETHER HICKORY OR STEEL WAS BETTER. I KNOW THAT MOST OF THE PROS THOUGHT STEEL WASN'T EVER GOING TO GO BECAUSE IT WAS MUCH STIFFER, YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE FEEL
WITH STEEL THAT YOU HAD WITH HICKORY AND I GUESS IT WAS, MUST HAVE BEEN ABOUT 33 OR 4 BEFORE THEY TOOK THE SHEATH OFF THE, OFF THE STEEL SHAFTS.
WHEN, AS YOU REMEMBER IT, WAS THERE A TIME WHEN, YOU WOULD HIT YOUR SHOT ON TO THE GREEN ON ANY HOLE AND THAT YOU COULDN'T FIX YOUR BALL MARK, YOU COULDN'T MARK YOUR BALL, YOU COULDN'T CLEAN YOUR BALL,
YOU COULDN'T REPAIR OTHER NEW BALL MARKS BETWEEN YOU AND THE HOLE, HOW LONG DID THAT LAST AS YOU REMEMBER IT BEFORE YOU COULD CLEAN UP A LITTLE BIT?
OH IT LASTED A LONG TIME, BUT I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING, PETER. THE GREENS WASN'T THAT GOOD TO START WITH. THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE AGRONOMY, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MOWING, THE MACHINES, THE GREENS WERE VERY
ROUGH WHEN WE PLAYED AND THERE'S NEVER TWO GREENS THE SAME AND IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER HE'S PLAYING BERMUDA OR BENT. BENT GREENS GOT PRETTY FAST BUT BERMUDA GREENS ARE REALLY SLOW.
BUT IF YOU WERE PLAYING AND THE GREENS WERE WET OR SOFT, AND YOU HIT A SHOT IN THERE, IT'S STILL GOING TO LEAVE SOME KIND OF AN IMPRINT. IT'S STILL GOING TO LEAVE SOME MUD AND DIRT AND WATER ON YOUR GOLF BALL. HOW DID YOU DEAL WITH THAT?
WELL LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING. I HIT A BALL TO THE GREEN IN PHOENIX AND IT BURIED IN THE GREEN AND WE HAD A RULE ON IT AND I HAD TO PLAY IT. I COULDN'T EVEN TAKE IT OUT OF IT'S BURIED MARK, SO YOU PLAYED THE BALL AS IT WAS.
WAS THERE AN OUTCRY ABOUT THAT OR
YES, THERE WAS SLOWLY BECAUSE EVERY, ALL THE PROS THOUGHT THAT WASN'T FAIR. THEY WERE ALL FOR WIPING THE BALL AND FIXING THE BALL MARKS. THEY NEVER FIXED THE SPIKE MARKS WHICH WAS, WAS RIGHT BECAUSE
IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN FOREVER. IF SOMEBODY THAT WANT TO GET HIS LINE PERFECT HE COULD HAVE FIXED THE SPIKE MARKS FOREVER, BUT THE BALL MARKS, YES, AND CLEANING THE BALL, BECAUSE
YOU PICK UP A LOT OF MUD ON IT WHEN IT RAINED.
YOU KNOW WE USED TO HEAR THAT WHEN THE FELLOWS WOULD GET ON THE PUTTING GREEN AND LITERALLY THE BALL WOULD BE UNDER THE SURFACE, THAT, NOT ONLY DID YOU HAVE TO PLAY IT BUT THERE WAS NO QUESTION FOR
TIME ABOUT YOU HAVING TO PLAY IT. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN OFF THE GREEN IF YOUR, YOUR BALL WAS IMBEDDED, FOR EXAMPLE. DIDN'T THEY HAVE THE IMBEDDED BALL RULE FOR YOU TO FOLLOW AT THAT TIME?
WELL THEY'D HAD IT YEAH IF IT WAS RAINING AND THE BALL WAS IMBEDDING, THEY'D MAKE SPECIAL RULES. THERE WAS NO USGA RULES THAT COVERED IT AT THAT TIME, BUT THEY HAD THE LOCAL PGA WOULD, WOULD MAKE THE RULES. I REMEMBER ONE TIME I PLAYED WITH SAM
WHERE IT WAS RAINING PRETTY HARD. IT WAS VERY WET AND SAM HIT THE BALL LOW AND I HIT IT HIGH SO MY BALL WOULD EMBED EVERY TIME AND HE'D JUST RAISE CAIN BECAUSE I COULD PICK MY BALL UP AND WIPE IT OFF AND HE HAD TO PLAY HIS.
IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I KEEP GETTING THE SENSE THAT NONE OF YOU WORKED ON YOUR PUTTING VERY MUCH IN THE EARLY 30'S WAS PRECISELY THE REASON THAT YOU SUGGESTED A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO THAT THE GREENS WERE
SO INCONSISTENT AND THEY WERE SO BUMPY AND THAT EACH ONE WAS DIFFERENT THAN THE NEXT THAT THERE WASN'T A REASON IN MOST PLAYERS VIEW TO WORK REAL HARD ON YOUR PUTTING?
NO, BECAUSE THE GOOD PLAYERS, THE GOOD PLAYERS WORKED HARD ON IT. IT'S HACKERS LIKE ME THAT WOULD RATHER HIT THE DRIVER THAN TO WORK ON THE PUTTING AND IT WAS BORING TO ME, BUT THE GOOD PLAYERS, THEY, THEY PRACTICED PUTTING. THEY PRACTICED A LOT.
HAVE YOU FIGURED OUT THE SECRET TO PUTTING SINCE WE SAW YOU LAST?
YES BUT, YES BUT IT'S TOO LATE.
WELL WHAT'S THE SECRET? SHARE IT WITH US.
THE SECRET IS THAT YOU DON'T LET YOUR LEF... YOUR RIGHT WRIST BREAK DOWN. IF YOU CAN KEEP YOU RIGHT WRIST FROM BREAKING DOWN BEFORE YOU HIT IT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP IT, AND WHAT I THINK IS GOOD IS THAT YOUR LEFT ELBOW GOES OUT. SEE IF YOU STAY HERE YOU PULL IT IN. IF THAT GOES OUT AND THIS STAYS COCKED, WHITEWALL TOLD
ME, HE SAYS JOHN, I LEARNED IN THE VERY BEGINNING AND IF I DIDN'T LET THIS BREAK DOWN HERE, I COULD PUTT, AND HE WAS ONE OF THE BEST PUTTERS OUT THERE.
WE'LL TAKE A SHORT BREAK, AND BE BACK WITH JOHNNY BULLA.
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Hahn jabs USGA over possible ball rollback
As debate continues to heat up over possible sweeping changes to the golf ball amid distance concerns, PGA Tour pro James Hahn chimed in to question the merits of a potential rollback.
The ball and distance debate gained traction earlier this week when Jack Nicklaus offered that the ball should be rolled back to the approximate distances achieved in 1995, and he put blame for the current situation squarely at the feet of Titleist. That drew a response from former Titleist CEO Wally Uihlein, who put the onus back on the governing bodies.
It's an issue that will likely be discussed for months to come, but Hahn took to Twitter to throw a jab toward the USGA and play devil's advocate on some key arguments related to a possible rollback:
Breaking news. In addition to limited flight balls, the USGA plans to ban working out, proper diet and swinging faster than 105mph. They are also planning on removing the 3 point shot in the NBA.— James Hahn (@JamesHahnPGA) February 23, 2018
If we were playing a match, would you rather hit 7 iron to my 9 iron OR hit hybrid to my 5 iron? Oh and by the way, I can still hit par 5s in two with 3 wood. You can't.— James Hahn (@JamesHahnPGA) February 25, 2018
Hahn, who has two career PGA Tour wins and lost in a playoff last month at the Sony Open, ranks 55th on Tour this season in driving distance with an average of 301.2 yards off the tee.
Na fires back over slow play criticism from cricketer
Kevin Na fired back over recent criticism he received about his purported slow play at last week's Genesis Open.
Kevin Pietersen is a retired English cricketer with more than 3.6 million followers on Twitter. He tweeted a video of Na, known as one of the slower players on the PGA Tour, taking more than a minute to line up and hit what he described as a "Tap In" during the final round at Riviera:
SERIOUSLY, Kevin Na?!?!— Kevin Pietersen (@KP24) February 18, 2018
That Is A Tap In, MATE! pic.twitter.com/YMmNT6m5H7
He then added another video of himself on a green in Dubai, where he again called out Na and showed how long he believed it should take for a player to brush in a short putt:
Na has faced his fair share of slow play criticism, but this time he decided to defend himself. Na isn't on Twitter, but he took to Instagram to tell Pietersen to "stick to your own sport," pointing out both the length of the putt in question and the stakes that were involved during the final round, when Na went on to tie for second behind Bubba Watson:
@kp24 lets get some facts straight. Shot tracker shows what u call “tap in” 3ft 4in. Since when is 3’4’’ on green speed 12 a “tap in.” FYI 1 shot for me on Sunday was 300k. Difference between T2 and T4. Yes, I did back off because the line didn’t feel right. So what! BTW that was the only putt I backed off all day. Also our group was on pace all day! We waited if anything. @pgatour @golfdigest @golf_com @golfchannel #getyourfactstraight #sticktoyourownsport #everyshotcounts
Pepperell wins his first European Tour title in Qatar
DOHA, Qatar - Eddie Pepperell survived a tense finish to win the Qatar Masters at the Doha Golf Club on Sunday for his maiden European Tour title.
The 27-year-old Englishman held off a spirited challenge from compatriot Oliver Fisher, who needed a third successive birdie on the 18th hole to force a playoff, but had his putt from six feet slip past the hole for a par.
Pepperell shot a 2-under-par 70 for a four-day tally of 18 under 270, while Fisher, who started the day tied for the lead, could only manage a 71.
Sweden's Marcus Kinhult (68) finished third at 16-under.
The No. 154-ranked Pepperell made things difficult for himself with a bogey on the 15th hole, but hit a superb wedge to three feet on the next to get back to 18 under again.
Fisher, who appeared to have fallen out of contention with three bogeys starting on the third hole, stormed back with birdies on the 14th, 16th and 17th holes.
On the last, Pepperell laid up with his second into the thick rough, made wet and unwieldy by rain in the Qatar capital, but found the green in three and two-putted for the win when Fisher missed his birdie putt.
''I did the things I needed to do, I didn't play fantastic but I won ugly and for the first win to be ugly is good. Hopefully, I'll have some prettier ones in the future,'' said Pepperell.
''I knew I was playing well, especially tee to green, so I expected a lot of myself this week and I guess to pull it off is amazing. When Oli birdied the 17th, that was when it really caught up with me that I was only one ahead. I was in my own zone, I knew I had a couple of shots of lead but Oli did great. It was a tough front nine for him and I had to stay right in my own way and out of the two guys' way because they were struggling a bit and it's sometimes easy to get dragged into that.''
Fisher was disappointed, but saw the silver lining in the way he fought back.
''It went all the way to the last hole which, after my front nine, was what I was hoping for on the back nine,'' said Fisher, who won the 2011 Czech Open, but recorded his first top-three finish since the 2014 Africa Open.
''I hit a lot of good shots coming down the back nine and gave myself a lot of good chances, but there were just too many bogeys today, four in total, so you're never going to win a tournament making that many mistakes on a Sunday. But at least I pressed him all the way.''
Italian Renato Paratore (66) had the low round of the day and finished tied for fourth place at 15 under par, where he was joined by the Spanish pair of Gonzalo Fernandez-Castano and Pablo Larrazabal along with Gregory Havret of France.