Golf Talk Live - Payne Stewart Transcript Segment 5
ALL RIGHT, LET'S SEE WHAT YOUR BUDDY MARK IN TORONTO WANTS TO ASK, HELLO MARK.
CALLER- MARK IN TORONTO
HOW ARE YA MARK
CALLER- MARK IN TORONTO
LOOKING COLORFUL TODAY WITH THAT TIE PETER, I GOT TO ADMIT.
ISN'T THAT A GOOD LOOKING TIE MARK, THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THOSE PAYNE STEWART COLLECTABLE TIES.
CALLER- MARK IN TORONTO
WELL THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
I NEVER GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT IT.
CALLER- MARK IN TORONTO
BUT I WANTED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION PAYNE, BEFORE I DO THAT, BEFORE I DO THAT I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLE HEARTILY ON YOUR DISCUSSION WITH TOM MINKS. YOU GET UP TO THE TEE, THEN YOU GOT THE SCORE, THEN YOU GOT
THE GUY WITH THE SIGN, THEN YOU GOT A WRITER, THEN YOU GOT 14 PHOTOGRAPHERS AND YOUR TRYING TO HIT THE BALL IN THE LEAD GROUP. AND I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF MAJORS, AND BY THE TIME YOU HIT THE BALL IT'S LIKE 3 MINUTES LATER.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT AND YOU DO FALL BEHIND AND IT WAS YOU KNOW LIKE I SAID AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT TOM WAS PRACTICE PUTTING ON THE HOLES, ON THE FRONT 9 BUT YOU KNOW I THINK
YOU JUST HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THE SITUATION AND YOU HAVE TO KIND OF LET THAT DICTATE. MAYBE THE RIGHT THING TO DO IT COME ON GUYS YOUR A LITTLE BIT OUT OF POSITION, ALL HE'S GOT TO DO IS RADIO OUR OFFICIAL IN OUR GROUP AND SAY ASK THEM IF THEY CAN SPEED UP A LITTLE BIT.
CALLER- MARK IN TORONTO
I AGREE WITH YA,, WHOLE HEARTILY.
IT'S OUR NATIONAL CHAMPION, IT'S A MAJOR IT'S YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES AT CERTAIN PLACES.
CALLER- MARK IN TORONTO
I WANT, YOUR PLUS 4'S ARE COMMONLY CALLED KNICKERS CAN YOU TELL THE VIEWERS THE STORY ABOUT HOW YOU FIRST STARTED WEARING THEM AND YOU DON'T WEAR THEM IN PRACTICE ROUNDS DOES IT MAKE YOU FEEL DIFFERENT WHEN YOU DON'T WHERE THEM, I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING STORY I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT.
WELL, IT STARTED IN 82, ACTUALLY IT STARTED WHEN I WAS ON THE ASIAN 1980 AND 81. SAW A COUPLE OF AUSTRALIAN PLAYERS WEARING THEM, AND I JUST THOUGHT THEY LOOKED A LOT DIFFERENT. I FINALLY GOT ON TOUR OVER HERE IN 81 AND THEN IN 82 I WAS PLAYING AND I WAS WEARING IZOD CLOTHES AT
AT THE TIME AND I HAD ON RED SLACKS, WHITE SHIRT, RED STRIPE IT. AND YOU KNOW LOOKING LIKE YOUR TYPICAL GOLFER AND 2 GUYS DOWN FROM ME HAD THE EXACT SAME CLOTHES ON AND RIGHT THEN I DECIDED I DIDN'T WANT TO LOOK
LIKE HE DID SO THAT'S WHERE THE KNICKERS CAME ALONG. AND I FOUND A COMPANY OUT IN PALM SPRINGS THAT MADE THEM, AND CALLED THE GUY UP AND SAID LOOK I WANT TO WEAR YOU KNICKERS FULL TIME ON TOUR, I'M PAYNE
STEWART. HE SAYS OH REALLY. HE SAYS I'LL TELL YA WHAT I'LL DO, HE SAYS I'LL SELL YA 3 PAIR AND I'LL GIVE THE 4TH PAIR FOR FREE AND I SAID OKAY, YOU GOT A DEAL SO I ORDERED THESE PAIRS. FIRST TOURNAMENT I DEBUT THEM IN I'M
PLAYING IN ATLANTA ON A SATURDAY, I'M PLAYING WITH TRAVENO, A PAIR OF LAVENDER KNICKERS OUT, YOU KNOW I WAS LOOKING GOOD IN THEM TOO. AND YOU KNOW TRAVENO BUSTED ME A LITTLE HARD ON THE FIRST TEE BUT I YOU KNOW
I EXPECTED THAT SO BUT THE COMMENTS I GOT THAT DAY WERE VERY FAVORABLE AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE REASON I'VE CONTINUED TO DO IT.
HOW MUCH OF YOUR EXPERTISE IN CLOTHING DO YOU OWE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A TIME THAT YOU WORKED IN A CLOTHING STORE.
PETER IF YOU KNEW WHAT I DID IN THAT CLOTHING STORE, OH MAN.
TELL ME EVERYTHING
IT WAS LIKE, WELL IT STARTED OUT IT WAS 79 I JUST MISSED THE QUALIFYING SCHOOL. I'M OUT OF COLLEGE, COLLEGE DEGREE DAD SAYS WELL WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR A LIVING NOW. I SAID WELL I'LL GO GET A JOB. SO I WENT DOWN ENDED UP, MY FIRST JOB LASTED FOR 2 DAY WAS AT JCPENNY WORKING
SPORTING GOOD DEPARTMENT. SO I'M OUT AT THE CLUB AND I TOLD THIS GUY
THAT I'M WORKING AT JCPENNY. HE SAYS, OH YOU SHOULD COME DOWN AND WORK AT MY CLOTHING STORE, YOU'LL MAKE MORE MONEY WORKING FOR ME.
OKAY, SO I QUIT MY JOB AT JCPENNY GO TO WORK AT THE CLOTHING STORE, WELL
I'M A STOCK BOY, YOU KNOW I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO BE SELLING YOU KNOW, COLLEGE GRADUATE I CAN SELL.
YEAH, I'M YOU KNOW PAINTING THE BATHROOM, FOLDING CLOTHES I CAN
FOLD CLOTHES THOUGH, I'M A GOOD CLOTHES FOLDER. AND SO I GET MY CHECK FOR 2 WEEKS WORK, 83 DOLLARS. I'VE JUST BEEN OUT ON THE GOLF COURSE THE DAY BEFORE AND I BEAT SOME PIGEONS OUT OF ABOUT 150 AND I WENT IN AND QUIT THAT DAY. I WENT AND GOT MY
CHECK AND SAID JAY LEO, I SAID I APPRECIATE YOUR JOB BUT MY JOB IS REALLY OUT ON THE GOLF COURSE, THAT'S IT.
ON THAT NOTE, WE WILL TAKE A VERY SHORT BREAK. AND WE WILL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT JAKE TROUT AND THE FLOUNDERS, DON'T GO AWAY.
Monty grabs lead entering final round in season-opener
KAILUA-KONA, Hawaii – Colin Montgomerie shot a second straight 7-under 65 to take a two-shot lead into the final round of the Mitsubishi Electric Championship, the season opener on the PGA Tour Champions.
The 54-year-old Scot, a six-time winner on the over-50 tour, didn't miss a fairway on Friday and made five birdies on the back nine to reach 14 under at Hualalai.
Montgomerie has made 17 birdies through 36 holes and said he will have to continue cashing in on his opportunities.
''We know that I've got to score something similar to what I've done – 66, 67, something like that, at least,'' Montgomerie said. ''You know the competition out here is so strong that if you do play away from the pins, you'll get run over. It's tough, but hey, it's great.''
First-round co-leaders Gene Sauers and Jerry Kelly each shot 68 and were 12 under.
''I hit the ball really well. You know, all the putts that dropped yesterday didn't drop today,'' Kelly said. ''I was just short and burning edges. It was good putting again. They just didn't go in.''
David Toms was three shots back after a 66. Woody Austin, Mark Calcavecchia and Doug Garwood each shot 67 and were another shot behind.
Bernhard Langer, defending the first of his seven 2017 titles, was six shots back after a 67.
The limited-field tournament on Hawaii's Big Island includes last season's winners, past champions of the event, major champions and Hall of Famers.
''We've enjoyed ourselves thoroughly here,'' Montgomerie said. ''It's just a dramatic spot, isn't it? If you don't like this, well, I'm sorry, take a good look in the mirror, you know?''
The missing link: Advice from successful tour pros
Today’s topic is significant in that it underscores the direction golf is headed, a direction that has me a little concerned.
Now, more than ever, it has become the norm for PGA Tour players to put together a team to assist in all aspects of their career. These teams can typically include the player’s swing coach, mental coach, manager, workout specialist, dietician, physical therapist, short-game guru, doctor, accountant, nanny and wife. Though it often concerns me the player may be missing out when others are making decisions for them, that is not the topic.
I want to talk about what most players seem to be inexplicably leaving off their teams.
One of the things that separates great players from the rest of the pack – other than talent – is the great player’s ability to routinely stay comfortable and play with focus and clarity in all situations. Though innate to many, this skill is trainable and can be learned. Don’t get too excited, the details of such a plan are too long and more suited for a book than the short confines of this article.
So, if that aspect of the game is so important, where is the representative on the player’s team who has stood on the 18th tee with everything on the line? Where is the representative on the team who has experienced, over and over, what the player will be experiencing? In other words, where is the successful former tour player on the team?
You look to tennis and many players have such a person on their team. These teacher/mentors include the likes of Boris Becker, Ivan Lendl, Jimmy Connors and Brad Gilbert. Why is it not the norm in golf?
Sure, a few players have sought out the advice of Jack Nicklaus, but he’s not part of a team. The teaching ranks also include some former players like Butch Harmon and a few others. But how many teams include a player who has contended in a major, let alone won one or more?
I’m not here to argue the value and knowledge of all the other coaches who make up a player’s team. But how can the value of a successful tour professional be overlooked? If I’m going to ask someone what I should do in various situations on the course, I would prefer to include the experienced knowledge of players who have been there themselves.
This leads me to the second part of today’s message. Is there a need for the professional players to mix with professional teachers to deliver the best and most comprehensive teaching philosophy to average players? I feel there is.
Most lessons are concerned with changing the student’s swing. Often, this is done with little regard for how it feels to the student because the teacher believes the information is correct and more important than the “feels” of the student. “Stick with it until it’s comfortable” is often the message. This directive methodology was put on Twitter for public consumption a short time back:
Once we give 'em a lesson, we are faced with:— Trackman Maestro (@TrackmanMaestro) January 16, 2018
A. Will they do what we asked them to do
B. Can they do what we asked them to do
C. Will they put in the practice time
D. The fact that golf is a hard game
We face multiple barriers as golf instructors.
On the other hand, the professional player is an expert at making a score and understands the intangible side of the game. The intangible side says: “Mechanics cannot stand alone in making a good player.” The intangible side understands “people feel things differently”; ask Jim Furyk to swing like Dustin Johnson, or vice versa. This means something that looks good to us may not feel right to someone else.
The intangible side lets us know that mechanics and feels must walk together in order for the player to succeed. From Ben Hogan’s book:
“What I have learned I have learned by laborious trial and error, watching a good player do something that looked right to me, stumbling across something that felt right to me, experimenting with that something to see if it helped or hindered, adopting it if it helped, refining it sometimes, discarding it if it didn’t help, sometimes discarding it later if it proved undependable in competition, experimenting continually with new ideas and old ideas and all manner of variations until I arrived at a set of fundamentals that appeared to me to be right because they accomplished a very definite purpose, a set of fundamentals which proved to me they were right because they stood up and produced under all kinds of pressure.”
Hogan beautifully described the learning process that could develop the swings of great players like DJ, Furyk, Lee Trevino, Jordan Spieth, Nicklaus, etc.
Bob Toski is still teaching. Steve Elkington is helping to bring us the insight of Jackie Burke. Hal Sutton has a beautiful teaching facility outside of Houston. And so on. Just like mechanics and feels, it’s not either-or – the best message comes from both teachers and players.
Lately, it seems the scale has swung more to one side; let us not forget the value of insights brought to us by the players who have best mastered the game.
Woods, Rahm, Rickie, J-Day headline Torrey field
Tiger Woods is set to make his 2018 debut.
Woods is still part of the final field list for next week’s Farmers Insurance Open, the headliner of a tournament that includes defending champion Jon Rahm, Hideki Matsuyama, Justin Rose, Rickie Fowler, Phil Mickelson and Jason Day.
In all, 12 of the top 26 players in the world are teeing it up at Torrey Pines.
Though Woods has won eight times at Torrey Pines, he hasn’t broken 71 in his past seven rounds there and hasn’t played all four rounds since 2013, when he won. Last year he missed the cut after rounds of 76-72, then lasted just one round in Dubai before he withdrew with back spasms.
After a fourth back surgery, Woods didn’t return to competition until last month’s Hero World Challenge, where he tied for ninth.
Woods has committed to play both the Farmers Insurance Open and next month's Genesis Open at Riviera, which benefits his foundation.
Even on 'off' day, Rahm shoots 67 at CareerBuilder
Jon Rahm didn’t strike the ball as purely Friday as he did during his opening round at the CareerBuilder Challenge.
He still managed a 5-under 67 that put him just one shot off the lead heading into the weekend.
“I expected myself to go to the range (this morning) and keep flushing everything like I did yesterday,” said Rahm, who shot a career-low 62 at La Quinta on Thursday. “Everything was just a little bit off. It was just one of those days.”
After going bogey-free on Thursday, Rahm mixed four birdies and two bogeys over his opening six holes. He managed to settle down around the turn, then made two birdies on his final three holes to move within one shot of Andrew Landry (65).
Rahm has missed only five greens through two rounds and sits at 15-under 129.
The 23-year-old Spaniard won in Dubai to end the year and opened 2018 with a runner-up finish at the Sentry Tournament of Champions. He needs a top-6 finish or better this week to supplant Jordan Spieth as the No. 2 player in the world.