Golf Talk Live - Raymond Floyd Transcript Segment 5
WE PROMISED YOU ANOTHER WINNING FLOYD AND WE WELCOME HIS SON, ROBERT. GREAT TO SEE YOU HERE.
ROBERT FLOYD, RAY'S SON (MALE):
NICE TO SEE YOU, PETER.
IF YOU COULD HAVE ONE OF YOUR DAD'S GOLFING TRAITS TO ADOPT AS YOUR OWN, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU CHOOSE?
ROBERT FLOYD, RAY'S SON (MALE):
I'D SAY THE, THE MENTAL ASPECT OF THE GAME. I THINK OVER THE YEARS HIS SHORT GAME HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN PHENOMENAL AND THAT'S WHAT'S STOOD
TIME MORE THAN ANYTHING, BUT HIS MENTAL APPROACH TO THE GAME, HIS MENTAL TOUGHNESS AND JUST BEING ABLE TO PREPARE MENTALLY AND BEING ABLE TO HANDLE MOST ANY SITUATION MENTALLY, THAT WOULD BE THE ASSET THAT I WOULD HAVE, WOULD HAVE LIKED TO INHERIT.
PARTNERED WITH HIS FATHER TO WIN THE '00 OFFICE DEPOT FATHER SON CHALLENGE)
HOW DIFFICULT IS IT FOR YOU, RAY, TO OBJECTIVELY AND WITH A FATHER'S LOVE BUT ALSO WITH THE TOUGHNESS REQUIRED, TELL HIM WHAT YOU THINK HIS STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES ARE?
THE, THE MOST DIFFICULT THING FOR ME IS WATCHING AND WATCHING HIS STRUGGLES. I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE SAME THINGS THAT, THAT HE WILL GO THROUGH AND HAS GONE THROUGH BUT I THINK THAT MAKES IT EVEN TOUGHER KNOWING THAT YOU'VE RUN THE
GAUNTLET THERE BEFORE, BUT ROBERT HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD PLAYER SINCE HE WAS A REAL LITTLE GUY. HE, HE WON AT EVERY LEVEL AND GOING UP FROM HIGH SCHOOL TO COLLEGE TO AMATEUR, NICE, PRETTY GOOD SIZE AMATEUR EVENTS, DOING WELL IN THE U.S. AMATEUR, HE'S, HE'S PLAYED VERY, VERY WELL AND IT'S
THERE. HE'S, HE'S DONE IT. HE KNOWS HOW TO DO IT AND I THINK HIS DISCIPLINE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE... LACKING IF YOU WOULD, IN HIS YOUNG DAY. MAYBE HE TOOK THAT FROM ME, BUT I HOPE THAT HE WOULD REALIZE THAT IT'S A MUCH
TOUGHER GAME TODAY. THERE'S A LOT MORE TALENT OUT THERE. THE DEPTH OF FIELD IS INCREDIBLE. THERE ARE SO MANY PLAYERS LIKE ROBERT RUNNING AROUND PLAYING IN MINI TOUR S AND IN
OTHER COUNTRIES THAT HAVE NO PLACE TO PLAY HERE AND A GREAT POOL OF TALENT AND TO RISE ABOVE THE TOP OF THAT TODAY IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT THAN I HAD COMING UP WHEN I WAS HIS AGE, SO, I THINK HE'S, HE'S ADDRESSED THAT NOW AND I THINK THAT ROBERT'S GOING TO COME TO THE FRONT WITH HIS GOLF AND BE VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH IT.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOT TO BE A JOY TO BE RAY'S SON BUT YOU'VE ALSO GOT THE BURDEN OF COMPARISON. ARE YOU GETTING BETTER ABOUT IGNORING THAT OR DISREGARDING THE INEVITABLE COMPARISONS BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR DAD?
ROBERT FLOYD, RAY'S SON (MALE):
YEAH, I NEVER REALLY HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT. MY BROTHER ACTUALLY TOOK A LOT OF THE HEAT OFF OF ME. YOU KNOW, HE WAS RAYMOND FLOYD, JR. AND WE'D PLAY IN AMATEUR EVENTS GROWING UP AND JUNIOR EVENTS PLAYING, GROWING UP AND HE, HE WAS OLDER THAN ME,
AND YOU KNOW, I KIND OF SLID UNDER THE COVERS AND RAYMOND HAPPILY TOOK, YOU KNOW, TOOK THE BURDEN AND SO I WAS, I WAS ALWAYS ABLE TO GO OUT AND PLAY GOLF AND NOT WORRY ABOUT IT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, COMPARISONS ARE JUST SOMETHING, THEY'RE
COMPARISONS TO SOMEBODY YOU'RE VERY PROUD OF. SOMEONE YOU , YOU'RE VERY CLOSE TO AND IT'S NOT LIKE I WAS BEING COMPARED TO JACK NICKLAUS OR, OR IN SOME OF THESE KIDS CASES NOW, TIGER WOODS. SOMEONE THAT THEY
DIDN'T NECESSARILY, DIDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW SO I WAS BEING COMPARED TO MY, MY DAD WHO, WHO'S ALWAYS A VERY FINE PERSON IN MY LIFE AND I REALLY ENJOY TALKING ABOUT HIM, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT HARD. IT'S
NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WEIGHS ON YOU WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING GOLF, IT'S
JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO ANSWER TO THE MEDIA.
HOW COMPETITIVE ARE THE MATCHES THAT YOU TWO PLAY INFORMALLY FOR FUN TOGETHER?
ROBERT FLOYD, RAY'S SON (MALE):
THEY'RE VERY, I REMEMBER BEFORE I, I HAD BEATEN HIM, THEY WERE THE MOST COMPETITIVE. IT WAS VERY TOUGH TO BEAT HIM. I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I LEGITIMATELY HAD A CHANCE TO BEAT HIM. I WAS THREE UP. I SHOT 33 ON THE
FRONT NINE AND HE SHOT 36 AT OUR HOME COURSE IN MIAMI AT INDIAN CREEK AND I ASKED HIM HOW MANY SHOTS HE NEEDED ON THE BACK NINE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF I WAS GOING TO BEAT HIM
ROBERT FLOYD, RAY'S SON (MALE):
I WANTED HIM TO KNOW I WAS GOING TO BEAT HIM. WELL HE BIRDIED TEN, ELEVEN AND TWELVE AND SO DID I SO I WAS LOOKING AT HIM LIKE ALRIGHT, YOU JUST CAME WITH IT AND I'VE STILL GOT A THREE SHOT LEAD. WELL HE BIRDIED
THIRTEEN, FOURTEEN AND FIFTEEN TOO AND THEN HE HAD AN EAGLE PUTT ON EIGHTEEN FROM ABOUT TWENTY FEET AND I HAD AN EAGLE PUTT FROM ABOUT TWENTY FIVE FEET AND I MISSED MINE AND HE LAGGED IT UP THAT FAR AND
BEAT ME BY ONE AND I KNOW IF I MADE MY EAGLE PUTT HE WOULD HAVE MADE HIS AND BEAT ME BY ONE TOO, SO THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I'D EVER REALLY HAD A CHANCE AND YOU KNOW, SO
OBVIOUSLY THAT INSPIRED ME TO TRY TO BEAT HIM AND HE WASN'T GOING TO LET
ME WIN AND IT WAS EXTRA SPECIAL WHEN I FINALLY DID.
HOW COMPETITIVE ARE YOU TWO AWAY FROM GOLF? OTHER SPORTS, OTHER THINGS IN LIFE?
WE'RE NOT COMPETITIVE AT ALL IN THAT, THAT RESPECT AND, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE , EVEN TODAY WHEN WE PLAY GOLF NOW AFTER THE FACT, WE'RE NOT COMPETITIVE, OR I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE COMPETITIVE WHEN WE PLAY. I ENJOY THE COMPANY AND WE GO OUT AND PLAY, BUT I FELT WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG, BOTH RAYMOND AND ROBERT,
THAT, THEY WERE GOING TO BEAT ME, THEY WERE GOING TO BEAT ME. IT WASN'T GOING TO BE THE FATHER AND THE SON RUNNING THE FOOTRACE AND LETTING THE CHILD BARELY WIN ALL THE TIME. WE, WE DID THOSE THINGS BUT ON
THE GOLF COURSE THE RULE WAS THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO BEAT ME. THEY WEREN'T EVER GOING TO HAVE IT GIVEN TO THEM AND I THINK THAT'S WHY HE BRINGS IT UP NOW. IT WAS SPECIAL KNOWING THAT I WAS PLAYING AS HARD AS I COULD PLAY THE DAY HE BEAT ME.
WHEN THE TWO OF YOU WON THE FATHER SON CHALLENGE LAST YEAR AND DAD MAKES THE BIRDIE ON THE PLAY OFF HOLE TO BEAT THE MILLERS, WHAT DO YOU FEEL IF ANYTHING THAT YOU LEARNED FROM YOUR DAD AND JOHNNY ABOUT COMPETITION? ABOUT YOU TAKING YOU TO THE NEXT LEVEL?
ROBERT FLOYD, RAY'S SON (MALE):
WELL, I'VE BEEN AROUND, YOU KNOW, HIM FOREVER, AND, AND JUST, JUST THE FOCUS AND THEN THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING . I PUTTED FIRST, THE BACK NINE, OR FROM
ABOUT NINE OR TEN ON, THE LAST ROUND OF THE FATHER SON, THE LAST FEW HOLES, AND WE WENT INTO THAT PLAY OFF AND, AND I PUTTED LAST, EXCUSE
ME, AND WE WENT TO THAT PLAY OFF AND HE SAID TO ME, HE GOES, YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUTT BECAUSE I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS, SO HE WANTED TO GIVE ME A
CHANCE TO MAKE IT AND THEN HE WENT AHEAD AND MADE IT AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU LEARN BECAUSE I, I'VE DEFINITELY TALKED A GOOD GAME PLAYING WITH FRIENDS AND SAID
ALRIGHT I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE IT ONE TIME OUT OF TEN AND HE SEEMS TO BE THE OTHER WAY, HE MISSES ONE TIME OUT OF TEN, AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE LEARNED AND, YOU KNOW I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW HOW HE DOES IT BUT
I GUESS THAT'S THE SECRET.
THANKS FOR SPENDING A FEW MINUTES WITH US TONIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU GO AND SPEND A FEW MORE MINUTES WITH DAD. DON'T GO AWAY. HERE'S DAD AND DAUGHTER ON COVER OF SPORTS ILLUSTRATED FROM 1986 WHEN RAYMOND WON THE U.S. OPEN AT SHINNECOCK.
Monty grabs lead entering final round in season-opener
KAILUA-KONA, Hawaii – Colin Montgomerie shot a second straight 7-under 65 to take a two-shot lead into the final round of the Mitsubishi Electric Championship, the season opener on the PGA Tour Champions.
The 54-year-old Scot, a six-time winner on the over-50 tour, didn't miss a fairway on Friday and made five birdies on the back nine to reach 14 under at Hualalai.
Montgomerie has made 17 birdies through 36 holes and said he will have to continue cashing in on his opportunities.
''We know that I've got to score something similar to what I've done – 66, 67, something like that, at least,'' Montgomerie said. ''You know the competition out here is so strong that if you do play away from the pins, you'll get run over. It's tough, but hey, it's great.''
First-round co-leaders Gene Sauers and Jerry Kelly each shot 68 and were 12 under.
''I hit the ball really well. You know, all the putts that dropped yesterday didn't drop today,'' Kelly said. ''I was just short and burning edges. It was good putting again. They just didn't go in.''
David Toms was three shots back after a 66. Woody Austin, Mark Calcavecchia and Doug Garwood each shot 67 and were another shot behind.
Bernhard Langer, defending the first of his seven 2017 titles, was six shots back after a 67.
The limited-field tournament on Hawaii's Big Island includes last season's winners, past champions of the event, major champions and Hall of Famers.
''We've enjoyed ourselves thoroughly here,'' Montgomerie said. ''It's just a dramatic spot, isn't it? If you don't like this, well, I'm sorry, take a good look in the mirror, you know?''
The missing link: Advice from successful tour pros
Today’s topic is significant in that it underscores the direction golf is headed, a direction that has me a little concerned.
Now, more than ever, it has become the norm for PGA Tour players to put together a team to assist in all aspects of their career. These teams can typically include the player’s swing coach, mental coach, manager, workout specialist, dietician, physical therapist, short-game guru, doctor, accountant, nanny and wife. Though it often concerns me the player may be missing out when others are making decisions for them, that is not the topic.
I want to talk about what most players seem to be inexplicably leaving off their teams.
One of the things that separates great players from the rest of the pack – other than talent – is the great player’s ability to routinely stay comfortable and play with focus and clarity in all situations. Though innate to many, this skill is trainable and can be learned. Don’t get too excited, the details of such a plan are too long and more suited for a book than the short confines of this article.
So, if that aspect of the game is so important, where is the representative on the player’s team who has stood on the 18th tee with everything on the line? Where is the representative on the team who has experienced, over and over, what the player will be experiencing? In other words, where is the successful former tour player on the team?
You look to tennis and many players have such a person on their team. These teacher/mentors include the likes of Boris Becker, Ivan Lendl, Jimmy Connors and Brad Gilbert. Why is it not the norm in golf?
Sure, a few players have sought out the advice of Jack Nicklaus, but he’s not part of a team. The teaching ranks also include some former players like Butch Harmon and a few others. But how many teams include a player who has contended in a major, let alone won one or more?
I’m not here to argue the value and knowledge of all the other coaches who make up a player’s team. But how can the value of a successful tour professional be overlooked? If I’m going to ask someone what I should do in various situations on the course, I would prefer to include the experienced knowledge of players who have been there themselves.
This leads me to the second part of today’s message. Is there a need for the professional players to mix with professional teachers to deliver the best and most comprehensive teaching philosophy to average players? I feel there is.
Most lessons are concerned with changing the student’s swing. Often, this is done with little regard for how it feels to the student because the teacher believes the information is correct and more important than the “feels” of the student. “Stick with it until it’s comfortable” is often the message. This directive methodology was put on Twitter for public consumption a short time back:
Once we give 'em a lesson, we are faced with:— Trackman Maestro (@TrackmanMaestro) January 16, 2018
A. Will they do what we asked them to do
B. Can they do what we asked them to do
C. Will they put in the practice time
D. The fact that golf is a hard game
We face multiple barriers as golf instructors.
On the other hand, the professional player is an expert at making a score and understands the intangible side of the game. The intangible side says: “Mechanics cannot stand alone in making a good player.” The intangible side understands “people feel things differently”; ask Jim Furyk to swing like Dustin Johnson, or vice versa. This means something that looks good to us may not feel right to someone else.
The intangible side lets us know that mechanics and feels must walk together in order for the player to succeed. From Ben Hogan’s book:
“What I have learned I have learned by laborious trial and error, watching a good player do something that looked right to me, stumbling across something that felt right to me, experimenting with that something to see if it helped or hindered, adopting it if it helped, refining it sometimes, discarding it if it didn’t help, sometimes discarding it later if it proved undependable in competition, experimenting continually with new ideas and old ideas and all manner of variations until I arrived at a set of fundamentals that appeared to me to be right because they accomplished a very definite purpose, a set of fundamentals which proved to me they were right because they stood up and produced under all kinds of pressure.”
Hogan beautifully described the learning process that could develop the swings of great players like DJ, Furyk, Lee Trevino, Jordan Spieth, Nicklaus, etc.
Bob Toski is still teaching. Steve Elkington is helping to bring us the insight of Jackie Burke. Hal Sutton has a beautiful teaching facility outside of Houston. And so on. Just like mechanics and feels, it’s not either-or – the best message comes from both teachers and players.
Lately, it seems the scale has swung more to one side; let us not forget the value of insights brought to us by the players who have best mastered the game.
Woods, Rahm, Rickie, J-Day headline Torrey field
Tiger Woods is set to make his 2018 debut.
Woods is still part of the final field list for next week’s Farmers Insurance Open, the headliner of a tournament that includes defending champion Jon Rahm, Hideki Matsuyama, Justin Rose, Rickie Fowler, Phil Mickelson and Jason Day.
In all, 12 of the top 26 players in the world are teeing it up at Torrey Pines.
Though Woods has won eight times at Torrey Pines, he hasn’t broken 71 in his past seven rounds there and hasn’t played all four rounds since 2013, when he won. Last year he missed the cut after rounds of 76-72, then lasted just one round in Dubai before he withdrew with back spasms.
After a fourth back surgery, Woods didn’t return to competition until last month’s Hero World Challenge, where he tied for ninth.
Woods has committed to play both the Farmers Insurance Open and next month's Genesis Open at Riviera, which benefits his foundation.
Even on 'off' day, Rahm shoots 67 at CareerBuilder
Jon Rahm didn’t strike the ball as purely Friday as he did during his opening round at the CareerBuilder Challenge.
He still managed a 5-under 67 that put him just one shot off the lead heading into the weekend.
“I expected myself to go to the range (this morning) and keep flushing everything like I did yesterday,” said Rahm, who shot a career-low 62 at La Quinta on Thursday. “Everything was just a little bit off. It was just one of those days.”
After going bogey-free on Thursday, Rahm mixed four birdies and two bogeys over his opening six holes. He managed to settle down around the turn, then made two birdies on his final three holes to move within one shot of Andrew Landry (65).
Rahm has missed only five greens through two rounds and sits at 15-under 129.
The 23-year-old Spaniard won in Dubai to end the year and opened 2018 with a runner-up finish at the Sentry Tournament of Champions. He needs a top-6 finish or better this week to supplant Jordan Spieth as the No. 2 player in the world.