Golf Talk Live - Bernard Gallacher Transcript Segment 2

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PETER KESSLER
IN '69 WHEN YOU WERE 20 YEARS OLD AND THREE MONTHS, YOU WON WHAT WAS CALLED THE SCHWEPPES OR WHAT WE THINK OF AS THE PGA CHAMPIONSHIP.
BERNARD GALLACHER
YEAH
PETER KESSLER
TODAY, THE MOST IMPORTANT TOURNAMENT ON THE EUROPEAN TOUR. HOW CRITICAL TO YOUR CONFIDENCE AND AS A SPRINGBOARD WAS THAT WIN FOR YOU THAT YEAR?
BERNARD GALLACHER
WELL IT WAS AN IMPORTANT TOURNAMENT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S LIKE EVERY GOLFER WHO TURNS PRO. YOU WANT TO WIN A GOLF TOURNAMENT BUT YOU'RE NEVER SURE IF YOU'RE UP TO IT AND, AND THAT PARTICULAR, I REMEMBER IT'S A BIG LONG GOLF COURSE IN ASHBURNIN IN WALES AND
THE WEATHER WAS POOR AS WELL MOST OF THE WEEK AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST HAD A GOOD WEEK, AND BUT, WHEN I GOT A CHANCE, COMING UP THE LAST, I KNEW I HAD TO MAKE A FOUR UP THE LAST TO WIN AND I WAS UP TO IT AND DID IT AND IT'S A BIG MOMENT BECAUSE AS I SAID YOU JUST DON'T
KNOW IF YOU'RE UP TO IT UNTIL YOU'VE PUT YOURSELF IN THAT POSITION AND THAT, THAT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT AND I THOUGHT WELL, THAT'S GOOD, I'M, I'M UP TO THIS. I CAN, I CAN HANG ON HERE, I CAN WIN TOURNAMENTS.
PETER KESSLER
DID ANY TOURNAMENT THAT YOU EVER WON EVER MEAN MORE TO YOU THAN THAT PARTICULAR WIN?
BERNARD GALLACHER
NO, IT'S FUNNY YOU SHOULD SAY THAT AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT RYDER CUPS AND WHAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR YOU IN GOLF, BUT THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING IS WINNING A GOLF TOURNAMENT. THAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT. WINNING THE FIRST ONE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. THE MOST IMPORTANT GOLF TOURNAMENT.
PETER KESSLER
NOW OF COURSE THAT WAS THE YEAR THAT YOU WON TWICE IN AFRICA, YOU WON TWICE ON TOUR IN EUROPE. YOU WERE, YOU MADE YOUR FIRST RYDER CUP TEAM. YOU WERE SELECTED TO PLAY FOR SCOTLAND IN THE WORLD CUP. DID YOU NOT START TO
SECRETLY THINK, WAIT A MINUTE, IF I'M THIS GOOD NOW AT 20, BOY WHAT AM I GOING TO BE LIKE WHEN I'M 23 OR 24? NO THOUGHTS OF GETTING OUTSIDE OF GREAT BRITAIN AT THAT POINT AND CONQUERING THE WORLD?
BERNARD GALLACHER
WELL, I, I ALWAYS CONSIDERED MYSELF A BRITISH GOLFER. I KNOW PEOPLE WERE, I KNOW BRIAN BARNES WANTED TO GO AND PLAY AND, IN AMERICA AND TONY JACKLIN WAS PLAYING IN AMERICA AT THAT TIME, AND, AND TONY PUT DOWN HIS WINNING THE
BRITISH OPEN IN '69 THROUGH HIS TRAINING ON THE AMERICAN TOUR, BUT I NEVER REALLY HAD ANY AMBITION ABOUT PLAYING IN AMERICA BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO LEAVE HOME AND I FELT I WAS ALWAYS COMFORTABLE GOING HOME ON A
SUNDAY NIGHT AND, WHERE AS IN AMERICA, YOU COULDN'T REALLY PLAY IN AMERICA UNLESS YOU'RE FULLY COMMITTED TO COMING OVER HERE AND LIVING OVER IN AMERICA AND PLAYING ON THE TOUR AND IT'S SOMETHING DEEP DOWN I DIDN'T WANT TO DO.
PETER KESSLER
NOW OF COURSE THE YEAR BEFORE IN '68, TONY WON IN JACKSONVILLE HERE
BERNARD GALLACHER
YEAH
PETER KESSLER
IN THE UNITED STATES. WINS THE OPEN IN '69. WHAT, WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO SOMEONE WHO CAME FROM A SIMILAR BACKGROUND, WAS ONLY A FEW YEARS OLDER
BERNARD GALLACHER
YEAH
PETER KESSLER
WINNING THE OPEN CHAMPIONSHIP THAT PARTICULAR YEAR. THAT IN YOUR, ESSENTIALLY START OF WINNING TOURNAMENTS IN GOLF.
BERNARD GALLACHER
YEAH WELL I CAN REMEMBER DISTINCTLY BECAUSE I WAS REALLY ANNOYED THAT TONY WON BECAUSE THERE WAS SUCH A BUILD UP WHO WAS GOING TO BE THE FIRST BRITISH GOLFER TO WIN THE OPEN SINCE MAX FALTON HAD WON IN 1953.
BECAUSE WE HAD ALL THE PETER THOMPSONS AND BOBBY LOCKES AND THEN ARNOLD PALMER DOMINATED AND GARY PLAYER DOMINATED AND BY THE TIME 1969 CAME ALONG, THERE WERE STILL NO BRITISH GOLFER SINCE MAX FOLTEN IN '53 HAD WON THE BRITISH OPEN.
PETER KESSLER
WASN'T MAX '51?
BERNARD GALLACHER
WELL '51 EVEN, YEAH, MAKES IT EVEN BETTER AND YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO WIN THAT OPEN AT ROYAL LITHUM AND... SO BUT ONCE I HAD COOLED DOWN I THOUGHT WELL THAT'S GOOD AT LEAST TONY JACKLIN'S WON AND YOU KNOW
TOURNAMENT ANNOUNCER IN BACKGROUND (MALE):
THERE IS TONY JACKLIN(UNINTELLIGIBLE) 72 AND 280
BERNARD GALLACHER
TONY WAS A GREAT PLAYER IN THOSE DAYS AND HE STOOD OUT ON THE 18TH TEE ON THE 72ND HOLE PLAYING WITH BOB CHARLES AND BOB CHARLES OF COURSE HAD ALREADY WON THE OPEN AT LITHUM IN A PLAYOFF WITH PHIL ROGERS AND TONY MADE THE MOST TERRIFIC DRIVE
DOWN THAT LAST HOLE AND YOU KNOW I WANTED TO DO THAT, I WANTED TO TRY THAT BUT WATCHING TONY IT WAS GREAT THAT HE DID IT. AT LEAST HE DID IT, AND HE, HE WAS A BRITISH GOLFER WHO DID IT. IT WAS A BIG MOMENT FOR, FOR BRITISH GOLF WHEN HE WON THAT OPEN.
PETER KESSLER
WAS IT TRUE THAT GARY PLAYER AND COMMENTING ABOUT YOUR GRIP IN 1969 SAID IT'S ONE OF THE WORST GRIPS I'VE EVER SEEN. WAS THAT A FAIR COMMENT AT THE TIME BY
GARY.
BERNARD GALLACHER
WELL IT WAS, YEAH IN, IN '69 I PLAYED IN THE FIRST ROUND WITH GARY PLAYER IN THAT OPEN CHAMPIONSHIP. THAT WAS AN OPEN CHAMPIONSHIP. I FELT I HAD A GOOD CHANCE OF WINNING BECAUSE I'D HAD A GOOD YEAR AND I WAS PLAYING WELL AND I WAS PICKED WITH GARY AND, YOU KNOW I PLAYED A GREAT FIRST
ROUND. I HAD 70 IN THE FIRST ROUND AND GARY CAME IN AND HE SAID WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS A BIT BLOWN UP BY THE PRESS, YOU KNOW, I THINK GARY, GARY TENDS TO SPEAK IN EXTREMES AND HE SAID WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE WORST GRIP I'VE
SEEN, BUT HE WAS COMPLIMENTARY IN OTHER WAYS THAT WERE SORT OF DELETED FROM THE, FROM THE NEWSPAPER, BUT THEY PICKED ON WHAT HE SAID, BUT YOU KNOW HE WAS, HE WAS RIGHT. IT, IT WAS A, IT WAS A POOR GRIP, IT WAS A, IT WAS A VERY STRONG GRIP.
AND IT INSPIRED ME TO CHANGE MY GRIP AND I THINK I BECAME A BETTER STRIKER OF THE BALL, BUT AS I SAID TO YOU AT THE START OF THE PROGRAM, I'VE ALWAYS FOUGHT, FOUGHT MY METHODS
BECAUSE OF NOT HAVING THE TUITION AT THE START OF MY GOLFING CAREER.
PETER KESSLER
NOW GARY, LAST TIME HE WAS HERE TOLD US THAT HE ALWAYS EXAGGERATES BY TEN
BERNARD GALLACHER
(LAUGHING) YEAH. THERE YOU GO.
PETER KESSLER
SO YOU SHOULDN'T FEEL BAD.
BERNARD GALLACHER
YEAH, NO, WELL THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, SO I DIDN'T FEEL BAD AT ALL, BUT GARY WAS MY HERO AND IT WAS, AT THE TIME IT WAS A SHOCK TO BE CRITICIZED BY THE PERSON YOU PROBABLY ADMIRED THE MOST IN THE WORLD.
PETER KESSLER
HE HAD A STRONG GRIP WHEN HE FIRST
BERNARD GALLACHER
YEAH
PETER KESSLER
STARTED AND MAYBE THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS HE PICKED
UP ON YOURS.
BERNARD GALLACHER
YEAH WELL I THINK THAT'S RIGHT, YEAH. HE WAS TRYING TO BE HELPFUL.
PETER KESSLER
A WRITER SAID ABOUT YOU AND THAT YOUR 69 THAT YOU HAD THE ODD FLASH OF TEMPER THAT YOU COULD GET ANGRY IN PUBLIC AND THAT YOU WEREN'T AS EVEN GOING AS PEOPLE HAVE GENERALLY THOUGHT OF YOU OVER THE YEARS.
WAS THAT TRUE OF YOU AT THE TIME? WERE YOU A LITTLE TEMPERAMENTAL?
BERNARD GALLACHER
WELL I THINK I WAS ANGRY, YEAH. I GOT ANGRY WITH BAD SHOTS BUT I ALWAYS, I ALWAYS TRIED TO IMPROVE MY TEMPERAMENT. IN FACT ONE OF MY HEROES WAS BOB CHARLES. I ALWAYS FELT BOB CHARLES HAD THE PERFECT TEMPERAMENT. YOU NEVER KNEW IF YOU LOOKED AT BOB ON THE GOLF COURSE AND THE SAME TODAY, YOU DON'T KNOW
WHETHER HE'S 5 UNDER PAR OR 5 OVER PAR AND I WANTED TO BE LIKE BOB CHARLES. EVERY NOW AND AGAIN I FELT LIKE BERNHARD GALLAGHER. IF I HIT A BAD SHOT I WOULD BANG THE CLUB DOWN BUT YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE ALWAYS WORKED ON MY, ON MY TEMPERAMENT,
AND BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY IDEA TO KEEP COOL AND COLLECTED UNDER PRESSURE. NOT TO GET CARRIED AWAY WITH THE EMOTION OF THE OCCASION, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU
KNOW, YOU MIGHT NOT WIN ALL THE TIME, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO GET TO THE TOP IN GOLF AND WIN GOLF TOURNAMENTS I THINK.
PETER KESSLER
THAT SAME WRITER SAID ABOUT YOU THAT YOU WEREN'T AFRAID TO WIN AND THAT YOU HAD THE CONFIDENCE TO CLOSE WHEN YOU WERE IN CONTENTION. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE SOURCE OF
YOUR EARLY CONFIDENCE WAS THAT ALLOWED YOU TO FEEL LIKE YOU WANTED TO GO GET IT AND THAT YOU COULD GO MAKE IT HAPPEN?
BERNARD GALLACHER
WELL I DON'T KNOW IT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE BORN WITH, I THINK. THERE'S THIS COMPETITIVE SPIRIT, COMPETITIVE EDGE. I MEAN, I, I'VE HAD IT WHEN I USED TO DO A LOT OF RUNNING AT SCHOOL, CROSS COUNTRY RUNNING. I USED TO BE, DO MILE RUNNING, I USED TO GET ANNOYED WITH MYSELF IF SOMEBODY BEAT ME. I USED TO GO OUT THERE AND I
LIKED TO BE IN FRONT ALL THE TIME AND WHEN I WAS IN FRONT I HAD THIS PRIDE. I FELT TERRIBLE INSIDE BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO SHOW PEOPLE AND I KEPT GOING AND I CARRIED IT ON INTO, INTO GOLF AND IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN'T LEARN. I MEAN, YOU, YOU IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN'T
PICK UP IN A GOLF BOOK AND LEARN. YOU CAN BE TAUGHT A GREAT METHOD, YOU CAN BE TAUGHT A GREAT SWING, YOU CAN BE TAUGHT TO DO THE RIGHT THING BUT UNDER PRESSURE YOU CAN'T TEACH SOMEONE TO BE A WINNER. HE'S GOT TO BE A WINNER. YOU'RE BORN WITH IT.
I'M AFR... I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING YOU EITHER HAVE OR YOU HAVEN'T.
PETER KESSLER
WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH BERNARD GALLACHER. DON'T GO AWAY.
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