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Golf Talk Live - Gene Sarazen Transcript Segment 5

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PETER KESSLER

SO I SUPPOSE THE GREATEST MAN IN THE FIELD DID WIN THE '32 BRITISH OPEN, HUH GENE?

GENE SARAZEN

WELL YOU KNOW THAT WAS THE TIME I INTRODUCED THE SAND IRON AND THAT USED TO BE MY WORST SHOT AND NEITHER JONES OR HAGEN COULD PLAY THAT EXPLOSIVE SHOT BUT WHEN THE SAND IRON CAME OUT EVERYBODY GOT TO PLAY THE SHOT WELL.

PETER KESSLER

WHAT WAS THE CLUB THAT JONES USED AT HOY (???) LAKE IN '30 WHEN HE WON THE BRITISH OPEN THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE SAND WEDGE THAT HORTON SMITH HAD GIVEN HIM?

GENE SARAZEN

NO HE HAD A, HE HAD A, A SAND IRON THAT WAS LIKE A SCOOP. LIKE A BIG SOUP, SOUP SPOON AND IT HIT, THE USGA UH CHECKED IT OUT THAT YOU HIT THE BALL TWICE.

PETER KESSLER

WELL SURE IN THE FRONT AND IN THE BACK OF THE CLUB, RIGHT?

GENE SARAZEN

THAT'S RIGHT AND THEY BARRED IT. SO THAT WAS WHEN I WAS ON A TRIP WITH A, AT CORAL GABLES, FLORIDA AND WAS FLYING AROUND WITH HOWARD HUGHES AND I SAT NEXT TO HIM AND HE SAID PULL THAT STICK AND I PULLED THE STICK AND THE PLANE SHOT RIGHT UP AND IT FLASHED IN MY MIND, AND I SAID THAT'S WHAT I OUGHT TO PUT ON MY NIBLICK AND SO I PUT IT ON THE NIBLICK AND THAT'S THE BIRTH OF THE SAND IRON.

PETER KESSLER

YOU KEPT THAT UPSIDE DOWN IN THE BAG IN BRITAIN.

GENE SARAZEN

OH SURE BECAUSE THE BRITISH WOULD HAVE BARRED IT BECAUSE IN 1932 THE FIRST 9 HOLES I WAS IN 2 OR 3 TRAPS AND I CAME OUT AND DOWN IN ONE AND I HEARD THE GALLERY SAYING `OH HAVE YOU SEEN THAT WEAPON THAT SARAZEN HAS IN HIS BAG?' SO EVERYBODY STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT BUT IT WAS TOO LATE TO BARR IT.

PETER KESSLER

WHAT DID SKIP DANIELS WHO WAS YOUR CADDIE, IN '28 HE USED TO BE OF COURSE HAGEN'S CADDIE AND HAGEN LOANED YOU HIS CADDIE IN '28 AND OF COURSE YOU, YOU MADE THE 7 AT THE SUEZ AND THEN FOUR YEARS LATER AND AFTER HAVING LOST THAT CHAMPIONSHIP TO WALTER YOU USED SKIP AGAIN WHEN MARY INSISTED, EVEN THOUGH YOU COULDN'T FINANCIALLY DO IT BECAUSE YOU WERE PLAYING SO WELL. YOU GO OVER YOU USE SKIP AGAIN. IT MUST HAVE BEEN THE GREATEST MOMENT OF HIS LIFE AND HE DIED SHORTLY THERE AFTER DIDN'T HE?

GENE SARAZEN

YES YOU KNOW UH I NEVER WILL FORGET SKIP DANIELS BECAUSE WHEN I WENT OVER IN '32 I MET A FELLA BY THE NAME OF ROXIE IN LONDON AND HE TOOK ME OUT TO STOOP. STOOP PODGES (???) TO PLAY AT 18 HOLES AND UH SO THIS YOUNG CADDIE THAT I HAD, HE SAYS I'M GOING TO CADDIE FOR YOU AT PRINCESS (???). I SAID NO I HAVE A CADDIE. I HAVE DANIELS. OH HE SAYS DANIELS CAN'T CADDIE FOR YOU. HE CAN'T SEE ANYMORE BECAUSE HE'S GASSED IN THE WAR. SO WHEN I GOT DOWN TO PRINCE. THE UH ROYAL SAINT GEORGE'S, THERE WAS DANIELS WAITING FOR ME AND I SAID DAN, I'M SORRY BUT I, I CAN'T USE YOU BECAUSE I JUST HIRED A CADDIE UP AT STOOP PODGES (???). OH HE SAYS THAT'S PERFECTLY ALL RIGHT SIR. SO HE JUST HUNG AROUND THE CADDIE HOUSE AND FINALLY THERE WAS A FRIEND OF MINE CAME UP TO MY ROOM, LORD INNIS KERR (????) AND HE SAYS SARAZEN, I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOU PLAY THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE DAYS. YOU'RE GETTING WORSE EVERY DAY. WHY DON'T YOU GET DANIELS TO STRAIGHTEN YOU OUT. SO I SAID `GOOD. GET A HOLD OF DANNY. LET HIM CADDIE FOR ME TOMORROW' . SO HE GOT A HOLD OF DANIELS AND DANIELS CADDIED FOR ME. THE FIRST THING HE SAYS, ` OH YOU'RE HITTING THE BALL SO WELL. MUCH BETTER THAN HAGEN' AND THAT BOOSTED MY MORAL.

PETER KESSLER

HE MUST HAVE LOOKED TEN YEARS YOUNGER THOUGH THE DAY THAT YOU HIRED HIM BACK THEN THE DAY THAT YOU TOLD HIM HE COULDN'T CADDIE, RIGHT?

GENE SARAZEN

YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW. 1973 WHEN I WENT THERE AS A GUEST OF THE ROYAL AND ANCIENT AND THE PRINCES' CLUB, WHO DO YOU THINK WAS AT THE DINNER?

PETER KESSLER

HIS GRAND SON WHO HE RODE UP TO THE PRESENTATION

GENE SARAZEN

THAT'S RIGHT

PETER KESSLER

CEREMONY WITH ON THE HANDLE BARS OF HIS BIKE AND YOU ASKED THE PERSON DOING THE CEREMONY TO WAIT UNTIL DANIELS ARRIVED AND THERE HE WAS WITH TWO YOUNG GRAND CHILDREN.

GENE SARAZEN

THAT WAS A , THAT WAS A, THAT LITTLE BOY ON THE HANDLE BAR WAS AT THE DINNER AND HE WAS ALL DRESSED UP AND HE FELT LIKE, THAT HE WAS DANIELS.

PETER KESSLER

UNBELIEVABLE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND I'M GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER CALL. WE'VE GOT MARTIN. HELLO MARTIN.

MARTIN - CALLER FROM MISSISSIPPI :

MR. SARAZEN, IT'S A GREAT HONOR

PETER KESSLER

A QUESTION FOR MR. SARAZEN

MARTIN - CALLER FROM MISSISSIPPI :

TO SPEAK TO YOU. WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE MATCH FROM THE SHELL'S WONDERFUL WORLD OF GOLF SERIES THAT WE ALL STILL ENJOY SO MUCH ON THE GOLF CHANNEL?

PETER KESSLER

MARTIN WAS JUST ASKING, OF ALL THE SHELL WONDERFUL WORLD OF GOLF MATCHES, DOES ONE STAND OUT AS YOUR ABSOLUTE FAVORITE?

GENE SARAZEN

YEAH I THINK THE, THE MATCH THAT WAS PLAYED AT PEBBLE BEACH BETWEEN SAM SNEAD AND JACK NICKLAUS WAS THE GREATEST MATCH. NICKLAUS WON IT ON THE LAST HOLE.

PETER KESSLER

SNEAD

GENE SARAZEN

AND NICKLAUS

PETER KESSLER

JUST SEEMS TO KEEP PLAYING GREAT GOLF FOREVER. FOR 60 YEARS HE WAS COMPETITIVE. NOW YOU WERE THE FELLOW WHO TOLD WILSON ABOUT SAM.

GENE SARAZEN

IN 1937.

PETER KESSLER

AND HE'S STILL WITH WILSON.

GENE SARAZEN

YEAH

PETER KESSLER

AND YOU'RE STILL WITH WILSON.

GENE SARAZEN

THAT'S RIGHT I'VE BEEN WITH WILSON SINCE 1922.

PETER KESSLER

AND AS YOUR GRAND SON WAS TELLING ME EARLIER, THAT'S THE LONGEST ENDORSEMENT CONTRACT, WELL IN THE HISTORY OF CONTRACTS.

GENE SARAZEN

II HAVEN'T SEEN THE CONTRACT FOR 50 YEARS.

PETER KESSLER

THAT'S WITH A HAND SHAKE, RIGHT?

GENE SARAZEN

THAT'S ALL. NOW YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE LAWYERS OFFICE.

PETER KESSLER

WHEN YOU WON THE U.S. OPEN TO GO WITH THE BRITISH IN '32, THE ONLY GUY WHO HAD DONE THAT BEFORE WAS JONES. HE DID IT IN '26 AND IN '30. THE LAST 28 HOLES IN 100 STROKES HAPPENED BECAUSE YOU CHUCKED YOUR SAFETY TACTICS OUT DIDN'T YOU?

GENE SARAZEN

YEAH. 28 HOLES AT100TH. THAT WAS A RECORD AND UH I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S A RECORD NOW OR NOT. OF COURSE IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE GOLF COURSE BUT IN THE MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIPS I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN BROKEN, BUT WHEN I SAY MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIPS I MEAN BRITISH, AMERICAN, PGA

PETER KESSLER

AND FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO FIGURE IT OUT

GENE SARAZEN

MASTERS

PETER KESSLER

THAT'S 33, 33, 34. THE EQUIVALENT THERE OF. WE'LL TAKE A SHORT BREAK. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MR. SARAZEN. DON'T GO AWAY.

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