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Golf Talk Live - Gene Sarazen Transcript Segment 6

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PETER KESSLER

WE DIDN'T TALK AT ALL ABOUT COBB AND RUTH BUT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, TY COBB WAS THE FELLOW WHO TURNED YOU ONTO THAT LITTLE SECRET OR TRICK ABOUT SWINGING A WEIGHTED CLUB, SOMETHING YOU DID FOREVER.

GENE SARAZEN

WELL I DIDN'T DO IT FOREVER BUT UH HE GAVE ME AN IDEA AND I PUT SOME WEIGHT IN THE CLUB AND IT WAS, IT WAS A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE YOU KNOW I SPENT 35 YEARS ON A FARM AND I DIDN'T PLAY MUCH GOLF, BUT I USED TO TAKE THAT HEAVY CLUB AND SWING IT AND THAT DID MY SWING A LOT OF GOOD. BUT SPEAKING ABOUT TY COBB, I PLAYED WITH HIM, OH WAY BEFORE THE MASTERS AT THE AUGUSTA COUNTRY CLUB AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I CAN REMEMBER IS THAT WHEN WE GOT THROUGH ON THE LAST HOLE. WE WERE PLAYING WITH A FELLOW BY THE NAME OF ARTHUR BORNE, UH TY COBB

PETER KESSLER

FROM THE SINGER SEWING MACHINE? ARTHUR BORNE? YEAH.

GENE SARAZEN

WELL HE WAS A, HORTON SMITH MARRIED HIS DAUGHTER AND UH I'LL NEVER FORGET, SOMEBODY SAID TO TY COBB `YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TODAY?' AND TY SAYS 'WHAT?' HE SAYS ROGERS WAS KILLED IN AIR PLANE OUT IN THE NORTH POLE. WHAT DO YOU THINK HIS ANSWER WAS? HE SAID WELL THAT'S JUST THE WAY HE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT.

PETER KESSLER

YEAH HE WAS A NO NONSENSE GUY WASN'T HE? YOU PROBABLY GOT ALONG BECAUSE OF THAT A LITTLE BIT, DIDN'T YOU? YOU WERE NO NONSENSE TOO.

GENE SARAZEN

I DON'T SEE, I NEVER SAW MUCH OF TY COBB. HE WASN'T MY TYPE.

PETER KESSLER

NOW BUT YOU PLAYED, YOU PLAYED SOME GOLF WITH RUTH AND HE WASN'T VERY GOOD, RIGHT?

GENE SARAZEN

BABE RU.. OH THE WILD MAN

PETER KESSLER

BABE RUTH.

GENE SARAZEN

YEAH

PETER KESSLER

WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE GREAT BALL PLAYERS LIKE COBB AND RUTH WEREN'T ABLE TO TAKE THEIR SWING AND SOMEHOW ADJUST IT TO GOLF?

GENE SARAZEN

WELL I DON'T KNOW. RUTH WAS A SLUGGER AT GOLF AND A SLUGGER AT BASEBALL. UM, COBB WAS A MUCH BETTER PLAYER.

PETER KESSLER

AROUND THAT SAME TIME PERIOD, 1930-ISH OR SO, THE YEAR THAT JONES WON THE GRAND SLAM, WAS ALSO THE YEAR THAT YOU WON 8 TOURNAMENTS BUT THAT MUST HAVE GOTTEN OVER SHADOWED BECAUSE OF BOB'S ACHIEVEMENT AND THE FACT THAT HE RETIRED RIGHT AFTER THAT. HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR YEAR AND HIS YEAR?

GENE SARAZEN

WELL I, I DON'T REMEMBER WINNING 8 TOURNAMENTS IN ONE YEAR. UH THE ONE THAT, THE FELLOW THAT WON A LOT OF TOURNAMENTS IN ONE YEAR WAS BYRON NELSON. HE'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE WON ELEVEN.

PETER KESSLER

IT WAS YOUR RECORD HE BROKE.

GENE SARAZEN

WELL I NEVER KEPT THAT RECORD.

PETER KESSLER

THAT'S ALL RIGHT, BUT I, I WAS DOING THE HOMEWORK AND I WAS COUNTING UP 1930 AND I

GENE SARAZEN

YOU SURE, YOU SURE HAVE DONE A LOT OF HOMEWORK TONIGHT.

PETER KESSLER

NOW JONES, DID YOU PLAY AT AUGUSTA COUNTRY CLUB EARLY IN THE SEASON WHEN JONES WON BY 13 OR 15 SHOTS AND TY COBB GOT MAD AT HIM FOR SLACKING OFF AT THE END OF THE ROUND.

GENE SARAZEN

NO, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.

PETER KESSLER

THAT WAS EARLY 1930 AND I THINK IT WAS THE BEGINNING OF JONES' LAST 5 TOURNAMENTS, NONE OF WHICH HE LOST BECAUSE HE ONLY REALLY PLAYED IN THE MAJORS THAT YEAR. WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT BOB IN THE 30'S DO YOU THINK?

GENE SARAZEN

WELL JONES USED TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME GETTING READY FOR THE BRITISH OPEN. I MEAN THE AMERICAN AMATEUR AND THE UH UH THE AMERICAN OPEN. HE WANTED TO WIN THE MAJORS AND HE DID AND HE'D GIVE IT A LOT OF TIME AT PRACTICE AND HE USED TO HAVE A, A TEACHER BY THE NAME OF STUART MAIDEN AND HE'D GO AROUND AND HE HAD TO HAVE STUART MAIDEN WITH HIM ALL THE TIME. I REMEMBER SEEING HIM AT SKOKIE IN 1922. WE WERE DOWN UNDER AN, BENEATH THE OAK TREE THERE PRACTICING AND THERE WAS STUART THERE TUNING HIM UP FOR THE OPEN.

PETER KESSLER

THAT WAS BEFORE THE DAYS WHEN EVERYBODY NOW A DAYS HAS THEIR TEACHER THAT THEY GO EVERYWHERE WITH. HEY SPEAKING OF WHICH, WHO TAUGHT MARY TO PLAY SUCH GOOD GOLF, THAT WHEN YOU LOST THE OPEN IN '34 BY A SHOT TO OLAN DUTRA AND YOU GOT OFF THE TRAIN AND YOU THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO SAY OH GENE I'M SO SORRY YOU LOST BY ONE SHOT. INSTEAD SHE TOLD YOU SHE SHOT 84. HER BEST ROUND, RIGHT?

GENE SARAZEN

THAT WAS A , THAT WAS A TOURNAMENT AT OAKMONT. I LOST THE OPEN TO UH TOMMY ARMOUR AND HARRY COOPER BY ONE SHOT, AND OF COURSE IN THOSE DAYS YOU DIDN'T MOTOR YOU HAD TO TAKE THE TRAIN AND WHEN I GOT TO PENNSYLVANIA STATION SHE MET ME AND I SAID, SHE DIDN'T WAIT FOR ME TO TELL HER THAT I LOST THE OPEN BECAUSE IN THOSE DAYS YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE RADIO OR ANYTHING, THEY HAD A NEWSPAPER AND SHE HADN'T LOOKED AT THE NEW. NEW YORK TIMES YET, AND UH SHE LOOKED AT ME, SHE SAYS WHAT DO YOU THINK I DID YESTERDAY? I SAYS WHAT? SHE SAYS I SHOT AN 84. I SAID WHAT DO YOU THINK I DID YESTERDAY? I LOST THE OPEN BY ONE STROKE. IT DIDN'T MEAN A THING TO HER.

PETER KESSLER

THAT'S GOOD SHE DIDN'T ASK YOU IF YOU BROKE 84. WE'LL TAKE A SHORT BREAK. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH GENE SARAZEN. DON'T GO AWAY.

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