×
Golf Channel Mobile
Golf Channel
Free
install
Franklin Templeton Shootout View Leaderboard >
  • 1
  • Day/Tringale
  • -32
  • F
  • T3
  • Bradley/Villegas
  • -29
  • F
  • T3
  • Horschel/Poulter
  • -29
  • F
  • T5
  • McDowell/Woodland
  • -28
  • F
  • T7
  • Howell III/Verplank
  • -26
  • F
  • T7
  • Leonard/Sabbatini
  • -26
  • F
  • 9
  • Palmer/Walker
  • -25
  • F
  • 10
  • Reed/Snedeker
  • -24
  • F
Prev Next

GFC Search

 

Golf Talk Live - Jack Nicklaus Transcript Segment 3

RSS

PETER KESSLER
WHEN YOU WON THE MASTERS FOR THE 2ND TIME IN '65, WHEN YOU SET THE RECORD, YOU BEAT YOUR BUDDIES, GARY AND ARNOLD, BY 9 SHOTS. YOU ALSO BEAT GARY BY 9 SHOTS ON THE PAR-3'S AND ARNOLD BY 10 SHOTS ON THE PAR-3'S.

DO YOU THINK PEOPLE GENERALLY APPRECIATE THAT MAYBE YOUR BIGGEST SECRET, AND NOT SO SECRET TO YOU, ADVANTAGE MAY HAVE BEEN YOUR SUPERIORITY ON THE PAR-3 HOLES?

JACK NICKLAUS
WELL, YOU KNOW, I NEVER FELT THAT MY DRIVING HAS BEEN UH . UH . THE WHOLE KEY TO MY GAME. UM, POWER WAS A GOOD KEY TO MY GAME.

BUT UH . I ALWAYS FELT MY MIDDLE IRON PLAY WAS WHAT REALLY . WHEN I WAS REALLY -- PLAYED A TOURNAMENT WELL, MY MIDDLE IRON PLAY WAS WHERE I REALLY DOMINATED `CAUSE I ALWAYS .

IF I WAS GOING TO WIN SOMETHING, I WAS GONNA WIN IT BY A FEW SHOTS, IT ALWAYS CAME ON THE PAR-3'S. AND EVERY YEAR AT AUGUSTA, I ALWAYS TRIED TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WELL DID I PLAY THE PAR-3'S.

GENERALLY, THE PAR-4'S YOU PLAY AROUND PAR MAYBE 1-OVER, 1-UNDER SORT OF KIND OF THINGS.

YOU KNOW, I . I DON'T THINK EVER PLAYED THE PAR-5 GREAT, MAYBE BIRDIED HALF OF THEM WHICH ISN'T, WHICH ISN'T TERRIBLE BUT IT'S . BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE. SHOULD BE BETTER.

BUT WHEN I WON, I ALWAYS PLAYED THE PAR-3'S IN, YOU KNOW, 4, 5, 6 UNDER PAR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S UH . WHERE I UH .

WHERE I THINK I REALLY UH . UH . I DON'T UH . SEEMED TO BE MY STRENGTH MORE THAN WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT.

PETER KESSLER
DO YOU THINK THAT THAT STRENGTH CARRIED ITSELF OVER TO YOUR DESIGN WORK ON PAR-3'S?

JACK NICKLAUS
(SIGH) HMM, I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT MUCH ABOUT THAT. BUT UH . UM .

I ENJOY DOING PAR-3'S. I ENJOY TRYING TO PICTURE A SHOT OF WHAT YOU DO WITH A PAR-3 `CAUSE I THINK A PAR-3 IS A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN TEE A BALL UP.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT PLAYING OUT OF SOME LIE AT SOME DISTANCE. AND YOU CAN CONTROL WHERE THE AMATEUR AND WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY THAT PAR-3 FROM.

SO I ENJOY BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. UH, PROBABLY MORE SO THAN OTHER HOLES, YEAH, I THINK I DO.

PETER KESSLER
LEE TREVINO USED TO ALWAYS COMPLAIN, OF COURSE, THAT HE HIT THE BALL TOO LOW TO DO WELL AT AUGUSTA NATIONAL. BUT ARNOLD PALMER WAS A NOTORIOUSLY LOW BALL HITTER. WHY WAS ARNOLD SO SUCCESSFUL AT AUGUSTA NATIONAL, DO YOU SUPPOSE?

JACK NICKLAUS
WELL, I THINK YOU TAKE IT THE OTHER SIDE. I THINK LEE JUST HAD IN HIS MIND THAT HE COULDN'T PLAY AUGUSTA AND THAT'S CRAZY. I MEAN, LEE TREVINO'S A WONDERFUL GOLFER. I MEAN,

THERE'S BEEN . TO ME, HOGAN IS THE ONLY PERSON I KNOW THAT STRUCK THE BALL BETTER THAN LEE TREVINO.

NOW IF LEE TREVINO SAYS HE CAN'T HIT THE BALL HIGH, I CAN'T BUY THAT. I MEAN, LEE CAN PLAY ANY SHOT THAT HE WANTS TO PLAY, ALWAYS COULD.

AND UH . UH .

HE JUST - AND . AND NOW LEE CAN HIT IT RIGHT-TO-LEFT UH OR LEFT-TO-RIGHT. HE COULD DO EITHER AND WHATEVER HE WANTS. SO, I MEAN, I THOUGHT THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY NONSENSE. BUT HE HAD CONVINCED HIMSELF HE COULDN'T PLAY IT.

ARNOLD, HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WHETHER HE HIT IT HIGH OR LOW. ARNOLD . ARNOLD REALLY KNEW THAT HE COULD PLAY THAT GOLF COURSE. AND UH, ARNOLD JUST WENT AFTER THE GOLF COURSE AND PLAYED GOLF LIKE HE DID ANY PLACE ELSE. HE JUST WENT AFTER IT. AND UH . UH .

YOU KNOW, I JUST . IT . TO ME, LEE'S WAS A MYSTERY AND ARNOLD'S, OF COURSE, IS JUST THE WAY ARNOLD IS.

PETER KESSLER
PEOPLE ASK YOU, 'GEE, JACK, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA COME BACK AND COMPETE. WHEN ARE WE GONNA SEE YOU TRY TO WIN AGAIN?' AND I SOMETIMES WONDER IF YOU DON'T FEEL A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE LATE JOE DIMAGGIO THAT

HE DID EVERYTHING. HE . HE WENT TO 10 WORLD SERIES AND WON 9 OF THEM. HE HIT 361 HOMERUNS AND ONLY STRUCK OUT A FEW MORE TIMES THAN THAT. SO THAT WHEN HE LEFT, HE WAS COMPLETELY SATISFIED THAT HE HAD DONE EVERYTHING TO PREPARE,

EVERYTHING TO PLAY AS WELL AS HE COULD. AND EVEN TOWARDS THE END OF HIS CAREER, HE TRIED AS HARD AS HE COULD IN CASE THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO HAD NEVER SEEN HIM PLAY BALL BEFORE.

JACK NICKLAUS
UH-HUH.

PETER KESSLER
DO YOU FEEL THAT WAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOU?

JACK NICKLAUS
WELL, YOU KNOW . WHEN I .

WHEN I WENT TO HAVE MY HIP DONE UH, PETER, UH . UH, I SAID I DID IT FOR A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE. AND THE GOLF, WHETHER I PLAY GOLF OR NOT WAS NOT AN ISSUE.

UH, IF I HAPPEN TO PLAY GOLF AGAIN, WHICH I'M SURE I WILL, UH, AND I'M PLAYING NOW, UH, THAT'S A BONUS. IF I HAPPEN TO PLAY TOURNAMENT GOLF AGAIN, THAT'S AN EXTRA BONUS. BUT I CERTAINLY DIDN'T HAVE MY HIP DONE TO PLAY TOURNAMENT GOLF.

I'VE PLAYED MY TOURNAMENT GOLF. NOW I ENJOY BEING . UH SEEING THE GUYS. I ENJOY HAVING THE COMPETITION WHEN I CAN HAVE THE COMPETITION. WHETHER I WILL BE ABLE TO SWING A GOLF CLUB, UH, AND DO THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO DO WITH A GOLF BALL WITH AN ARTIFICIAL HIP, I DON'T KNOW.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER I CAN OR NOT. AND, I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME LIMITATIONS ON WHAT I CAN DO BECAUSE, UH, I DOUBT WHETHER THEY CAN MANUFACTURE A HIP THAT CAN DO WHAT I USED TO BE ABLE TO DO WITH A GOLF BALL.

AND UH . UH SO . YOU KNOW .

BUT IT'S NOT IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT IMPORTANT. I MEAN, UH, I THINK THAT UH I WANT TO BE OUT. I WANT TO COME OUT AND PLAY. I WANT TO PLAY A LITTLE BIT. BUT UH, CERTAINLY, I'M NOT GONNA COME OUT AND PLAY JUST TO PLAY.

UH, IF I CAN CONTRIBUTE, IF I CAN HELP THE GUYS ON THE SENIOR TOUR, HELP MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER TOUR FOR -- ON THE FEW EVENTS THAT I PLAY, YOU KNOW, THEN I'LL TRY TO DO THAT.

BUT I CAN PLAY IN UH . UH, U.S. OPEN THIS YEAR AND UH PLAY IN THE MAJORS ALL NEXT YEAR. UH .

UM, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO DO THAT. UH, AND I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PLAY THE BEST I CAN. BUT I'M NOT GONNA SIT THERE AND PROLONG SOMETHING UH . IF I CAN'T DO IT.

PETER KESSLER
IF YOU DO PLAY IN THE MAJORS AND YOU DO PLAY THE BEST THAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF AT THE TIME, DOES THAT CHANGE IN ANY WAY YOUR PHILOSOPHY THAT YOU'RE ONLY GONNA PLAY IF YOU, IN FACT, FEEL THAT YOU CAN BE COMPETITIVE

AS OPPOSED TO ON THE FRINGES OF BEING COMPETITIVE OR A CEREMONIAL GOLFER, WHICH YOU SAID YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO DO?

JACK NICKLAUS
WELL, I TRIED TO BE A CEREMONIAL GOLFER SEVERAL TIMES. IT NEVER WORKED.

PETER KESSLER
DIDN'T WORK LAST YEAR AT AUGUSTA.

JACK NICKLAUS
NO, THEY'VE NEVER . NEVER WORKS ANYWHERE. I MEAN, I . I HAVING AN AWFUL HARD TIME JUST GOING AROUND AND . AND, YOU KNOW, WAVING TO THE CROWD. THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT MY SCENE, YOU KNOW THAT.

PETER KESSLER
(LAUGH)

JACK NICKLAUS
(LAUGH)

YOU CAN JUST SEE ME WALKING UP TO A 10 FOOT PUTT, 'OH, HI EVERYBODY', YOU KNOW .

PETER KESSLER
AND GRACEFULLY MISSING IT.

JACK NICKLAUS
YEAH, NO . NO WAY. I CAN'T DO THAT.

UM . BUT UH . UH . I .

I ENDED MY STREAK LAST YEAR, UH, AT THE U.S. OPEN BECAUSE I COULDN'T PREPARE FOR IT. UH, HAD I BEEN ABLE - IN OTHER WORDS, LET'S JUST SAY I PREPARED FOR THE U.S. OPEN LAST YEAR, I COULD HAVE PREPARED,

I PLAYED 9 HOLES THE PREVIOUS 2 WEEKS TO THE U.S. OPEN AND DIDN'T HIT ANY BALLS . `CAUSE I JUST COULD - PHYSICALLY COULDN'T.

AND WHEN I WENT TO THE U.S. OPEN, I WAS JUST HOPING THAT I COULD GET THROUGH THE TOURNAMENT ENOUGH TO PLAY GOLF. NOW THAT'S RIDICULOUS. YOU DON'T GO TO THE U.S. OPEN, TAKE A SPOT FROM SOMEBODY WHEN YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T BE COMPETITIVE.

NOW I MADE . MADE THE CUT. NOW IF I WOULD -- HAD BEEN ABLE TO PREPARE FOR THE U.S. OPEN LAST YEAR . AND WENT TO THE U.S. OPEN FEELING LIKE I COULD PLAY, AND SHOT EXACTLY THE SAME SCORE, I WOULD HAVE GONE TO THE BRITISH OPEN LAST YEAR .

`CAUSE I FELT LIKE I DID ALL I COULD TO PREPARE AND BE READY. IF I CAN'T BE READY AND CAN'T PREPARE, THEN I SHOULDN'T BE THERE, SHOULDN'T TAKE A SPOT FROM SOMEBODY.

SO IF I'M GOING TO PLAY, UH, OVER THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF OR SO AND - OR BEYOND, I MAY PLAY BEYOND, I DON'T KNOW, UH, THEN IT'LL BE BECAUSE I CAN PREPARE.

AND NOT NECESSARILY WILL I PREPARE -- I DON'T EXPECT JACK NICKLAUS TO COMPETE AGAINST DAVID DUVAL AND . AND UH, AND TIGER WOODS ANY MORE. UH, I MAY GIVE THEM A RUN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. BUT

I'M NOT GONNA GIVE THEM A RUN ON A 4 DAY BASIS. UH, AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY GONNA SHAKE IN THEIR BOOTS ANYMORE, I PROMISE YOU. YOU'RE NOT SHAKING, ARE YOU GUYS? (LAUGH)

PETER KESSLER
I DON'T KNOW. I REMEMBER SNEAD AND BOLT BEING COMPETITIVE IN THEIR 60'S IN MAJORS THAT YOU WENT AHEAD AND WON.

LET'S TAKE A RIP TH --

JACK NICKLAUS
YEAH, BUT . BUT ANYWAY, THEY . BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA BE GOOD. SO I WANT TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT WHO I AM AND WHAT I AM.

AND, IF I CAN PREPARE AND BE READY TO PLAY AND BE WHAT I CALL COMPETITIVE IS HAVE A CHANCE TO BE COMPETITIVE, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN I'M GONNA WIN BUT HAVE A CHANCE TO BE ABLE TO,

THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN I'M EXCITED AND I ENJOY PLAYING AND I'LL BE THERE.

PETER KESSLER
LET'S TAKE A RIP THROUGH A FEW SHOTS FROM THE '65 MASTERS AS WE GO TO BREAK. LET'S TAKE A LOOK.

JACK NICKLAUS
OKAY.

PETER KESSLER
NOW HERE, OF COURSE, YOU ARE GETTING READY ON THE PRACTICE TEE -- LOOK HOW CLOSE YOUR HANDS ARE TO YOUR BODY HERE AND HOW RHYTHMICAL THIS SWING IS.

NO HITTING HERE, JACK.

JACK NICKLAUS
THAT WAS . IT WAS JUST ABSOLUTELY A . THAT WEEK IT WAS JUST . YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST -- IT WAS JUST ABSOLUTELY PURE . THERE WAS NO -- IT WAS SO EASY. EVERYTHING WAS EASY.

HEH, THAT DRIVING RANGE, YOU KNOW . THEY GOT A LITTLE SHORT THAT WEEK TOO. I MEAN, YOU COULDN'T KEEP THE BALL IN IT. (LAUGH)

PETER KESSLER
THERE'S NO HIT. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE HIT INSIDE OF YOUR SWING

JACK NICKLAUS
YEAH.

PETER KESSLER
IN '65 AND . AND HERE YOU ARE, I THINK THIS WAS THE 1ST TEE SHOT ON THE LAST DAY.

JACK NICKLAUS
PROBABLY ANOTHER HOOK.

PETER KESSLER
I DON'T THINK SO. YOU LOOKED LIKE YOU FINISHED THAT SWING.

JACK NICKLAUS
YEAH, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ALL RIGHT. I'M WATCHING IT. IT'S OFF THE LEFT SIDE. IT WENT DOWN THERE CLOSE TO THE LEFT SIDE.

PETER KESSLER
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. DON'T GO AWAY. (LAUGH)

JACK NICKLAUS
(LAUGH)

I HOOKED IT MORE TIMES .

(BREAK)

NEXT SEGMENT