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Golf Talk Live - Johnny Bulla Transcript Segment 2

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PETER KESSLER
 
WHAT DO YOU RECALL FONDLY OR OTHERWISE ABOUT HAVING TO DEAL WITH STYMIES?
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
I HATED THEM.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
(LAUGHS)
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
I COULDN'T CHIP, I COULDN'T CHIP THE BALL OVER IT ANYWAY. I GOT TO TELL YOU A STORY. I WAS PLAYING IN THE PGA AT RICHMOND, VIRGINIA AND, I WAS PLAYING JIM TENESA , AND I'M ONE UP
 
COMING TO THE 17TH HOLE, AND I HAD A FOUR FOOT PUTT FOR A THREE AND HE WAS ALREADY FOUR AND HE LET, AS HE CHIPPED HE LAID ME A STYMIE AND I THOUGHT WELL I CAN'T CHIP OVER THE BALL, I'LL JUST HIT IT HARD AND KNOCK IT, MY BALL WILL STOP AND KNOCK IT OUT OF THE WAY AND I'LL WIN THE HOLE,
 
SO I HIT IT HARD AND KNOCKED HIS BALL RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOLE, MISSED MY PUTT... AND I'M SO UPSET I THREE PUTT 18. INSTEAD OF GOING AND BEATING HIM TWO AND ONE, I LOST ONE DOWN.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
SO YOU WERE NOT UNHAPPY LATER WHEN THEY OUTLAWED THE STYMIE.
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
OH I GOT THE WORST, I GOT, I THINK I GOT THE RECORD. I PLAYED 36 HOLES WITH, IN THE PGA IN, IN PITTSBURGH AND I HAD SEVEN STYMIES LAID ME AND THERE'S NO, IT'S JUST LUCK, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE THAT GOOD YOU COULD PUT THE BALL IN THE HOLE.... IT WASN'T FAIR.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
WHO DID ALL OF YOU GO TO, AND WE'RE WATCHING JONES OF COURSE NEGOTIATING SUCCESSFULLY STYMIES ON THE PRACTICE GREEN AND IN HIS FILMS HE DID FOR WARNER BROTHERS, HOW I PLAY GOLF. WHO DID, HE WENT OF COURSE TO STUART MADEN, HIS TEACHER, WHEN HE HAD A PROBLEM WITH HIS SWING BUT, WHO
 
DID THE REST OF YOU GO TO, WHO DID THE PROFESSIONALS ON TOUR GO TO WHEN YOU NEEDED THAT KIND OF HELP?
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, I NEVER HAD ONE PRO TO HELP ME THE ENTIRE TIME I WAS OUT THERE ON THE TOUR. SAM MADE A REMARK LATER ON AND HE WAS RIGHT. HE SAID I'D NEVER HELP ANYBODY THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BEAT
 
ME, BUT HE WASN'T, HE WASN'T SHY TO ASK ME WHAT HE WAS DOING WRONG BECAUSE I KNEW HIS SWING.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
WOULD YOU TELL HIM?
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
OH SURE I WOULD, BUT I, I CAN'T EVER REMEMBER ANYBODY EVER HELPING ME WITH MY SWING.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
NOW YOU KNOW, BYRON NELSON ONCE SAID THAT HE THOUGHT THAT YOU EXPERIMENTED TOO MUCH WITH YOUR GOLF SWING. IS THAT A FAIR REMARK ON HIS PART?
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
NO, THAT'S NOT A FAIR REMARK. THAT WAS, THE REASON I EXPERIMENTED, THAT WAS AFTER I STARTED HITTING SOME BALLS LEFT HANDED, I WAS ALL THROUGH PLAYING TOURNAMENT GOLF BY THAT TIME ANYWAY.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
DO YOU THINK PEOPLE APPRECIATE ABOUT NELSON'S GREAT YEAR OF 1945 WHEN HE WON ELEVEN IN A ROW AND 18 OF THE 30 TOUR EVENTS THAT HE PLAYED IN THAT, UNLIKE TODAY WHERE A LOT OF THE COURSES HAVE BEEN SHORTENED BY THE GREATNESS OF THE PLAYERS AND THE ADVANCES IN TECHNOLOGY WHERE A LOT OF THE HOLES ARE DRIVES AND PITCHES,
 
NELSON IN THOSE DAYS STILL HAD TO HIT DRIVES AND FIVE IRONS AND BRASSIES AND SPOONS AND, AND LONG SHOTS AS WELL AS PITCHES INTO THE PAR 4'S DIDN'T HE?
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
WELL, WHY ABSOLUTELY, BUT YOU SEE, THAT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE EQUIPMENT AND THE AGRONOMY. YOU JUST COULDN'T HIT THE BALL AS FAR WITH EQUIPMENT THAT WE PLAYED WITH. I THINK BYRON NELSON'S RECORD IS FANTASTIC, EVEN THOUGH HE DID IT DURING THE WAR, HE DIDN'T HAVE THE COMPETITION. LOOK AT HIS SCORES. HE PLAYED ON SOME GOLF COURSES DURING THE WAR THAT THE AVERAGE PLAYER, THE AVERAGE PRO WOULDN'T EVEN GO
 
OUT ON THE COURSE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MAN POWER TO MAINTAIN THEM. THE GOLF COURSES WERE TERRIBLE DURING THE WAR, AND HE SHOT SOME OF THE BEST SCORES THAT WERE SHOT DURING THAT TIME.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
AND OF COURSE YOU MENTIONED A SCORING AVERAGE THAT WAS 68.33 FOR THAT YEAR, AND THAT WASN'T BROKEN OF COURSE UNTIL 2000 WHEN TIGER WAS THE FIRST GUY TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
NOW YOUR BUDDY SAM SNEAD SAID THAT THE THREE BEST PLAYERS THAT EVER LIVED WERE HIM, NICKLAUS SECOND, AND HOGAN THIRD. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT, WHO DO YOU THINK THE THREE BEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME WERE?
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
OH I THINK JONES GOES AHEAD OF HOGAN. HOGAN HAD A PERIOD. I MEAN HE PLAYED SOME GREAT GOLF. DON'T GET ME WRONG, I THINK HE WAS A GREAT PLAYER, BUT HE, HE, HE DIDN'T COME CLOSE TO JONES. YOU GET, IT'S HARD TO COMPARE
 
THEM AT THE DIFFERENT TIMES, BUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, JONES WAS A FAR BETTER PLAYER THAN HOGAN OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT HE PLAYED.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
HOW DID JONES PLAY ON THAT DAY DURING WORLD WAR TWO WHEN YOU HAD A VAPOR LOCK IN YOUR PLANE THAT YOU WERE FLYING HIM IN AND IT WAS TOUCH AND GO UNTIL YOU GOT IT SORTED OUT NOT TOO LONG BEFORE YOU FINALLY LANDED, WAS HE ABLE TO BREAK 90?
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
I THINK HE SHOT ABOUT 85. HE WAS, POOR GUY, HE WAS JUST, HE WAS SCARED TO DEATH, AND I DON'T BLAME HIM. HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT FLYING.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT.
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
WELL, WE WENT DOWN TO PLAY IN AN EXHIBITION IN MONTGOMERIE, AND I HAD BORROWED A LITTLE EP, FOUR PLACE AIRPLANE, THAT HADN'T BEEN FLOWN FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS AND BOB HAD, WE HAD OUR CLUBS IN THE BACK AND BOB'S
 
SITTING OVER THE SIDE OF ME ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND IF I HAD HAVE REACHED UP AND CUT THE SWITCH I COULDN'T HAVE STOPPED THE ENGINE QUICK OR IT COULD JUST, BOOM, AND OF COURSE NOW BOB IS, HE'S ABOUT TO JUMP
 
OUT OF THE AIRPLANE, SO I PUT MY ARM AROUND HIM AND I SAID BOB I CAN LAND THE AIRPLANE. WHAT HAPPENED WAS, WE GOT A VAPOR LOCK IN THE LINES AND I SAID THE ONLY WAY WE GOT A CHANCE TO BREAK IT LOOSE IS STICK THE NOSE
 
STRAIGHT DOWN. CAN YOU IMAGINE, HE, HE DOESN'T FLY AND HE'S SITTING THERE LOOKING STRAIGHT DOWN. I'VE GOT THE PLANE STRAIGHT DOWN, I'M TRYING TO HOLD HIM, KEEP HIM COMFORTABLE. I WASN'T ANY SCAREDER THAN I AM
 
SITTING RIGHT HERE BECAUSE I KNOW I CAN LAND THE AIRPLANE AND AT ABOUT 15 HUNDRED FEET IT BROKE LOOSE AND WE FLEW ON DOWN THERE, BUT HE WAS A SCARED PERSON.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
DID HE DRINK AND SMOKE A LITTLE MORE THAN USUAL THAT NIGHT?
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
I DON'T KNOW. (LAUGHS) I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW ONE THING, HE WOULDN'T COME BACK IN THAT AIRPLANE. THEY GOT ANOTHER AIRPLANE TO BRING HIM HOME IN.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
WELL YOU CAN'T BLAME HIM. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
 
(MUSIC)
 
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