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Golf Talk Live - Johnny Bulla Transcript Segment 5

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PETER KESSLER
 
HERE'S A QUESTION, JOHN, I'M GOING TO READ TO YOU THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO OUR WEBSITE. YOU FINISHED SECOND IN TWO OPEN CHAMPIONSHIPS ON THE OLD COURSE AT ST. ANDREWS. WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE GOLF COURSE? SEAN STEPHENS WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
WELL, TRADITIONALLY IT'S A GREAT GOLF COURSE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THERE SO LONG. THE HISTORY AND EVERYTHING BUT AS FAR AS A REAL TEST OF GOLF, THAT WE KNOW IT OVER HERE, IT COMES UP LACKING. I, I NEVER WAS TOO IMPRESSED WITH ST. ANDREWS BUT I'LL TELL YOU A STORY. THE FIRST TIME I WENT OVER THERE, IN '39, I'D LED THE OPEN AFTER THREE ROUNDS AND I WAS
 
PLAYING REAL WELL AND IT WAS CALM AND I WENT OUT AND PLAYED AND I SHOT 68 AND DIDN'T PLAY PARTICULARLY GOOD. I SAID I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE CAN'T SHOOT THIS THING IN NOTHING. I SAID I'LL BREAK 70 EVERY TIME I PLAY IT. THE NEXT DAY THE WIND
 
WAS BLOWING AND THE RAIN WAS COMING SIDEWAYS. IF I HADN'T HAVE PICKED IT UP I WOULDN'T HAVE BROKEN 90. SO AS FAR AS THE CONDITIONS IS WHAT MAKES ST. ANDREWS. IF THERE'S NO CONDITIONS THERE, LIKE TIGER
 
CAUGHT IT, THEN IT'S NOT, IT'S A PUSSYCAT.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
WHAT DID SAM THINK ABOUT IT OTHER THAN WHEN HE FIRST SAW IT BY TRAIN HE SAID LOOK THERE'S A BROKEN DOWN OLD GOLF COURSE.
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
HE, HE THOUGHT IT WAS THE WORST THING HE'D EVER PLAYED UNTIL HE WON THE TOURNAMENT AND THEN HE KEPT HIS MOUTH SHUT.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
(LAUGHS)
 
HE DIDN'T EVEN LIKE IT THEN?
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
NO.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
ALRIGHT, NOW, IN THE LATE 30'S WHEN BING CROSBY HAD HIS TOURNAMENT FOR THE FIRST TIME 36 HOLES DOWN AT RANCHO SANTA FE BEFORE THEY MOVED UP TO MONTEREY, SAM OF COURSE WANTED TO BE PAID IN CASH. I THINK HE WAS. DO PEOPLE APPRECIATE, DO YOU
 
THINK THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF BING CROSBY AND BOB HOPE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'VE MEANT TO GOLF AND WHAT THEY'VE MEANT TO TOURNAMENT GOLF?
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
OH, THEY WERE THE BILLBOARDS FOR GOLF. THEY, THEY'VE NEVER BEEN RECOGNIZED AS MUCH AS THEY, THEY SHOULD HAVE BECAUSE THEY BOTH PROMOTED GOLF IN A BIG WAY. BING AND, BING AND BOB DID SO MUCH FOR THE PEOPLE GETTING THEIR CONSCIOUSNESS
 
OF GOLF BECAUSE THEY'RE ENTERTAINERS AND THEY KNEW THEM. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GIVE THEM TOO MUCH CREDIT FOR IT.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
TEL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOGAN AS A PUTTER IN THE 30'S BEFORE HE WON, IN THE 40'S WHEN HE WAS WINNING, AND AFTER THE ACCIDENT, SAY IN THE EARLY 50'S.
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
WELL HOGAN WAS A CONSERVATIVE PUTTER. FROM TEN FEET IN HE'S AS GOOD AS ANYBODY, BUT YOU NEVER SAW HIM MAKE MANY LONG PUTTS BECAUSE HE WAS ALWAYS CONSERVATIVE. HE'S WANTING TO GET IT AROUND THE GREENS.
 
YOU DIDN'T SEE HOGAN THREE PUTT VERY MANY BECAUSE HIS, HIS IDEA WAS TO GET IT CLOSE TO THE HOLE. IT FELL IN FINE, BUT HE WAS A GREAT PUTTER.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
DID YOU THINK IT WAS SOMEBODY WITH A GOOD SHORT GAME GENERALLY AS DISTINCT FROM BEING A GREAT PUTTER FROM TEN FEET AND IN?
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
OH SURE YOU DO. SURE YOU DO. TODAY, THE, MOST OF THE BOYS THAT STAY OUT THERE THAT WIN, THEY'RE GOOD FROM EVERY PLACE.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JIMMY DEMARRET. HE, HE WON THE MASTERS THREE TIMES IN '40, IN '47 AND '50 AND THOSE WERE HIS THREE MAJORS. YOU KNOW WE HEAR THAT HE WAS AN INCREDIBLE HANDS PLAYER, AN INCREDIBLE SHOT MAKER. YOU TELL US.
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
WELL, JIMMY WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST ASSETS TO GOLF BECAUSE HE WAS A GREAT DRESSER, HE HAD A GREAT PERSONALITY, HE HAD GREAT WIT AND HE WAS REALLY A GREAT PLAYER. JIMMY WAS HIS OWN WORST ENEMY. HE LIKED
 
TO HAVE FUN. HE WAS ONE OF THESE FREE SPIRITED GUYS AND HE DIDN'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY LIKE A LOT OF THE OTHERS, BUT HE HAD SHOTS THAT, THAT NOBODY PLAYED ANY BETTER THAN HE DID, AND
 
IT'S JUST TOO BAD THAT JIMMY WAS HIS OWN WORST ENEMY BECAUSE HE REALLY HAD THE TALENT. EVERYBODY, AND HE LOVED THEM, EVERYBODY LOVED HIM. I REMEMBER WHEN I WON THE L.A. OPEN, EVERYBODY WAS COMPLAINING THIS,
 
THAT I WON IT AND JIMMY SAYS ' I'M TICKLED TO DEATH HE WON IT. HE DESERVED IT'. I MEAN HE WAS THAT KIND OF A GUY.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
WHEN PEOPLE REFER TO HIM AS A HANDS PLAYER, DO YOU THINK IT'S ACCURATE?
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
NO, NO ABSOLUTELY NOT. SURE HE HAD GREAT BIG HANDS. FOREARMS LIKE POPEYE, BUT HE, AND HE MANIPULATED THE BALL GOOD BUT HE HAD GREAT BODY ACTION. HE STOOD PRETTY CLOSE TO IT, FEET FAIRLY CLOSE TOGETHER BUT HE HAD GREAT BODY ACTION INTO THE BALL.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
WHY DID HE AND HOGAN GET ALONG AS WELL AS THEY DID.
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
I'LL TELL YOU EXACTLY. JUST LIKE SNEAD AND MYSELF. WE'RE OPPOSITE. HOGAN WAS A QUIET LAID BACK SORT OF GUY. HE WAS A FREE SPIRIT. HE, YOU SEE THESE ALL THE TIMES WHERE THE OPPOSITE ATTRACT EACH OTHER. I'M, AS OPPOSITE FROM SNEAD AS YOU CAN BE BUT WE ALWAYS GOT ALONG GREAT AND HOGAN
 
AND WELL THE SAME WAY WITH, WITH JACK BURKE, AND, AND DEMARRET. JACK WAS A LAID BACK SERIOUS SORT OF A GUY AND JIMMY WAS A FREE SPIRIT AND IT MADE GREAT COMPATIBILITY.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
IS IT TRUE, HERE'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE, IS IT A TRUE STORY THAT YOU AND JACK BURKE WERE DRIVING ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO GO PLAY IN SOME TOURNAMENT AND YOU STOPPED FOR LUNCH AND THAT YOU WENT TO GO WASH
 
YOUR HAND SAND HE FORGOT TO WAIT FOR YOU TO COME OUT AND
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
NO
 
PETER KESSLER
 
THAT'S NOT TRUE EITHER
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
NO. NONE OF THOSE STORIES ARE TRUE.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
(LAUGHING)
 
WHY DID YOU AND SAM, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE THINGS THAT MADE YOU AND SAM SO OPPOSITE THAT HELPED YOU GET ALONG SO WELL?
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
WELL, OF COURSE I WAS A GREAT ADMIRER OF HIS GOLF. I APPRECIATED HIS SKILLS, AND SAM WAS A TRUE FRIEND AS FAR AS A FRIEND IS CONCERNED. LET ME, LET ME TELL YOU A STORY, WE WERE GOING TO PLAY IN THE CHICAGO OPEN,
 
I TELL YOU THIS IS PROOF OF WHAT FRIENDSHIP WE HAD. WE WERE GOING TO PLAY IN THE CHICAGO OPEN AND L.B. ISLY, THE PRESIDENT OF WILSON CALLED ME, SAM WAS STANDING WITH ME, HE SAYS SAM, WOULD YOU BRING S... WOULD YOU
 
BRING JOHN, WOULD YOU BRING SAM OVER, I WANT TO TALK TO HIM AND I SAT OUTSIDE HIS OFFICE WAITING FOR SAM TO COME OUT AND SAM CAME OUT AND HIS FACE WAS RED AND I KNEW HE WAS MAD. HE SAYS LET'S GET OUT OF HERE, AND I THOUGHT HE'S GOT FIRED AND HE HAD THE BEST CONTRACT IN GOLF. WE GOT IN THE CAR AND HE SAYS YOU KNOW WHAT
 
HE WANTED? HE TOLD ME THAT HE DIDN'T WANT ME TRAVELING WITH YOU ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU WERE BAD FOR GOLF, AND I SAID MR. ISLY, YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT CLUBS TO PLAY, YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT GOLF COURSES TO GO TO, BUT DON'T EVER TELL ME ABOUT MY FRIENDS
 
BECAUSE JOHN AND I ARE CLOSE AND WE'RE GOING TO STAY THAT WAY. NOW HE COULD HAVE BLOWN HIS WHOLE CONTRACT AS MUCH AS HE LOVED MONEY. I'VE, MY FRIENDSHIP MEANT MORE TO HIM, AND THAT MEANT A LOT TO ME BECAUSE HE WAS REALLY A TRULY FRIEND.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
SO NOW WHY WOULD ISLY SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WAS HE UPSET BECAUSE YOU WERE THE GUY WHO PROMOTED A GOLF BALL THAT YOU COULD BUY IN A DRUGSTORE?
 
JOHNNY BULLA
 
ABSOLUTELY. THEY WOULD COME OUT WITH A HOLE HIGH AND IT WASN'T WORTH A NICKEL AND WE JUST KILLED THEM IN, IN SALES, SO ISLY WAS WANTING ME TO GET OUT OF THE PICTURE. HE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING PERSONALLY
 
AGAINST ME, IT WAS ALL A MARKETING THING.
 
PETER KESSLER
 
AS WE LEAVE FOR JUST A MOMENT I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH OUR WEBSITE. LOG ON TO THEGOLFCHANNEL.COM. YOU CAN CLICK ON TO THE GOLF TALK LIVE SECTION. IT'S A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN LISTEN TO THE
 
SHOW ON DEMAND, A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN SUBMIT A QUESTION FOR A GUEST WHO WILL BE ON THE SHOW AND IT'S ALSO A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN PULL UP AT YOUR LEISURE, A GOLF TALK LIVE TRANSCRIPT. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH JOHNNY BULLA.
 
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