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Golf Talk Live - Sam Snead Transcript Segment 4

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PETER KESSLER

IN THE 1920'S, BOBBY JONES, GENE SARAZON AND WALTER HAGEN ALL DUELED IT OUT FOR MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIPS. FANS OF THE GAME WILL NEVER FORGET JACK AND GARY AND ARNIE SLUGGING IT OUT IN THEIR PRIMES. BUT IN BETWEEN THESE GREAT RIVALRIES IS ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING OF THEM ALL, HOGAN, NELSON AND SNEAD. THEY TRADED MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIPS BETWEEN THEM AS IF NO ONE ELSE WAS ENTITLED TO WIN. WHAT MADE IT EVEN MORE EXCITING WAS THE AMAZING CONTRAST IN THEIR PERSONALITIES. HOGAN ON THE GOLF COURSE WAS IN HIS CACOON OF CONCENTRATION. NELSON AND HIS BRILLIANT SHOT MAKING AND THE FATHER OF THE MODERN SWING AND THEN LARGER THAN LIFE, SLAMMIN' SAMMY SNEAD. NOW WHEN ONE THINKS OF WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED HAD NELSON NOT RETIRED IN 1946 AT THE AGE OF 34, AFTER WINNING 11 IN A ROW AND 18 AT 30 THE YEAR BEFORE. OF COURSE HOGAN AND SNEAD WOULD GO ON TO WAGE INCREDIBLE BATTLES FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.

PETER KESSLER

TELL ME ABOUT THE TEE SHOTS THAT YOU AND GENE SARAZON AND BYRON NELSON ALL HIT AT THE MASTERS THIS YEAR.

SAM SNEAD
WELL, UH GENE UH GOT UP FIRST AND HE HIT IT IN THE HEEL AND IT WENT RIGHT OFF THE RIGHT OF THE FIRST UH, THE TEE INTO THE PEOPLE. BYRON GOT UP AND OF COURSE THAT BAD HIP, IT WAS HIS RIGHT, HE HAD TO COME OVER IT, HE, ANY WEIGHT, FROM STANDING ON IT, AND HE DUCK HOOKED IT INTO THE PEOPLE. WELL I KIND OF SIMU., UH TOPPED MINE BUT MINE WENT UP THE MIDDLE, JUST RUNNING.

PETER KESSLER

WHEN YOU GUYS WERE ALL IN YOUR PRIME, WHO, WHO WAS THE BETTER SHOT MAKER BETWEEN THE TWO, BYRON OR BEN? I KNOW THAT BEN WAS A BETTER PUTTER THAN BYRON. WHAT ABOUT SHOT MAKING, WERE THEY EQUALLY VERSATILE, SAM?

SAM SNEAD

WELL I THOUGHT UH BYRON MIGHT HAVE BEEN A BETTER DRIVER AND A LONG IRON PLAYER BUT I THINK HOGAN THEN TOOK UH TOOK THE SHOW. UM, HE WAS BETTER AROUND THE GREEN AND ON THE GREENS.

PETER KESSLER

IN TERMS OF HITTING THE BALL AT DIFFERENT HEIGHTS AND, AND CUTTING IT, AND DRAWING IT, DID, DID YOU FELLAS IN THE 30'S AND 40'S AND 50'S PLAY MORE SHOTS DO YOU FEEL THEN THE GUYS DO TODAY WHERE THEY TEND TO HIT ONE KIND OF SHOT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT?

SAM SNEAD

WELL I THINK THE UH BIG HITTERS UH TODAY, THEY FADE,UM MOST OF THEM ARE FADERS BECAUSE THEY CAN CONTROL THAT, NOT AS LONG BUT THEY CAN KEEP IT IN PLAY. THAT'S THE WHOLE THING, TO KEEP IT IN PLAY BUT UM UH HOGAN WAS A HOOKER UNTIL HE HAD, SAID WELL I'VE GOT TO GET OUT OF THIS AND, AND UH GO FROM LEFT TO RIGHT SOME, WELL OF COURSE HE MONKEYED AROUND WITH HIS SWING AND UM I'LL, I'LL SAY THIS FOR HIM, HE'S A, THAT WAS A GUTSY LITTLE GUY, AND HE, BOY HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING AND DIDN'T DO ANYTHING AND HE JUST TENDED TO HIS OWN GAME UH, BYRON ON THE OTHER HAND WAS A GOOD SHOT MAKER. HE WAS A BOLD PUTTER BUT UH I DON'T THINK HE WAS THE PUTTER THAT BEN WAS.

PETER KESSLER

SOME OF THE GUYS THAT PERHAPS ARE UNDER RATED AND WE DON'T TALK ABOUT AS MUCH AS WE OUGHT TO, HOW GREAT A SHOT MAKER WAS JIMMY DEMARRIT WHO WON THE MASTERS THREE TIMES?

SAM SNEAD

JIMMY WAS A HANDS PLAYER. UM, UM HIS FEET WOULD BE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER AND YOU'D THINK, JUST GETTING READY TO, AND THEN TO WIDEN HIS STANCE, TO GET READY TO SWING THE BALLS ON IT'S WAY... I DIDN'T SEE THAT. UM, JIMMY'S PUTTING I THINK UH WAS UH LIKE MINE, IT WAS `COME'N SEE COME SA' BUT UH REAL GOOD PLAYER, REAL GOOD PLAYER AND A JOLLY GUY. I NEVER HEARD OF ONE PERSON SAY THEY DIDN'T LOVE JIMMY DEMARRIT.

PETER KESSLER
ON OR OFF THE GOLF COURSE, RIGHT?

SAM SNEAD

YES

PETER KESSLER

LET'S GO AHEAD AND TALK TO BILL IN ARIZONA. HELLO BILL.

BILL FROM ARIZONA

HI SAM.

SAM SNEAD

HI BILL

BILL FROM ARIZONA

THANKS A LOT FOR THE UH SENIOR TOUR, UM YOU REALLY BROUGHT IT ALONG. I'D LIKE YOU TO COMMENT ON AN ARIZONA GOLFER, JOHNNY BULLER, WHO I UNDERSTAND WAS A GOOD FRIEND OF YOURS ONCE UPON A TIME OR, AND STILL PROBABLY IS.

SAM SNEAD

UH, JOHN AND I WENT ON TOUR TOGETHER. WE WENT, IN MY, I HAD JUST GONE WITH DUNLAP, THEY PAID ME FIVE UH FIVE HUNDRED, ONE SET OF CLUBS A YEAR, A DOZEN BALLS A MONTH. SO UH I MET JOHN, ACTUALLY IT WAS UH IN KENTUCKY. HE WAS OUT HITTING BALLS AND, AND I WAS WITH NELSON LONG, THE PRO THERE AT THAT HOME AND UH EVERYTIME HE DIDN'T UH PUT THIS TWO WOOD, I GUESS OR THREE WOOD IN THE TRAP HE'D BEAT THE GROUND WITH IT I SAID HEY LOOK AT THIS (???). HE'D CARRY HIS HAIR WAY DOWN THERE AND HE'D.. SORT OF BLOW IT OUT. AND UH I MET HIM THEN LATER ON IN, IN FLORIDA AND WE WENT OVER TO NASSAU, WAS TALKING TO CRAIG WOOD AND, AND UH UM HENRY PICKARD AND I SAID WHAT DO YOU THINK MY CHANCES ARE UH TO GO ON THE TOUR? CRAIG WOOD WAS THE INSTIGATOR IN GETTING ME UH TO PLAY THE DUNLAP CLUBS AND HE SAID YOU WANT TO KNOW WHETHER YOU GOT TO STAY AT HOME AND TEACH OR PLAY THE TOUR? AND I SAID YES SIR. HE SAID WHY DON'T YOU GO ON AND, AND GET ON THE TOUR IN CALIFORNIA. IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT I'LL GIVE YOU MONEY ENOUGH TO COME HOME ON. I SAID I'M ON MY WAY AND BULLER SAID I'LL GO WITH YOU. SO WE DROVE TOGETHER. WENT TO CALIFORNIA BUT THE BEST THING WAS, I SAID BOO-BOO, I CALL HIM BOO-BOO, IS, AND HE CALLED ME JACKSON, MY MIDDLE NAME AND I SAID BOO-BOO WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPLIT WHILE WE'RE OUT HERE. I HEARD SOME OF THESE OTHER PRO'S SPLIT. WELL I THOUGHT WELL, WITH ONE'S PLAYING WELL, WELL HE'LL BE ABLE TO CARRY THE OTHER ONE ON MAYBE TO DO SOMETHING. HE SAYS YOU CAN'T PLAY A LICK. I SAID I'LL PLAY YOU FOR $5.00 EVERYTIME WE, OKAY YOU'RE ON, YOU WANT TO MAKE IT, NO, NO AND SO THEY CAME OUT ON THE 71ST HOLE AND HE'S, WALKED UP AND HE SAID, JACK, YOU'VE GOT A SIX IRON, I SAID DON'T LOOK LIKE A SIX IRON. HE SAID I OUGHT TO KNOW I JUST, I JUST FINISHED. I SAID WHAT DID YOU SHOOT HE SAID NEVER MIND. I GOT A SEVEN IRON, HE SAID WELL ABOUT 175 YARDS THEN. AND I PUT IT IN ABOUT TEN FEET FROM THE HOLE. I SAID MHMM, IF I HAD USED THE SIX IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER THE GREEN, BUT ANYWAY, I WON $400 AND BOO-BOO DIDN'T WIN ANY. WE GO UP TO OAKLAND, I WIN THE OAKLAND, AND WE'RE ON THE WAY. BOO-BOO SAID GIVE ME MY FIVE, HE SAID THE GAME IS OFF, THE GAME IS OFF.

PETER KESSLER

DIDN'T YOU FELLAS PLAY LAST YEAR IN THE LEGENDS OF GOLF TOGETHER?

SAM SNEAD

YES WE DID. I CALLED HIM I SAID HOW ABOUT COME AND PLAY, IT'S PROB. IT MIGHT BE THE LAST TIME WE'LL EVER PLAY TOGETHER AND HE WAS THERE. I WAS SUPPOSED TO PLAY THIS YEAR BUT UH I WAS HAVING A LITTLE PROBLEMS WITH, NOT MY BACK BUT UH, UH ONE FOOT, MY TOE AND I COULDN'T WALK TOO WELL SO I HAD TO CALL OFF AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MAYBE NEXT YEAR UH TO SEE JOHN.

PETER KESSLER

HOW, HOW WAS IT TO PLAY WITH HIM LAST YEAR? WAS IT GREAT FUN? DID YOU TALK ABOUT THE OLD DAYS?

SAM SNEAD

OH YEAH WE REMINISCED ABOUT THIS AND THAT AND THE OTHER AND, AND UH IT WAS SOMETHING. WE WOULD FLIP A PENNY, WHO GOT THE PENNY, IF IT CAME RIGHT DOWN TO A PENNY, HE TOOK A CAR FIRST YEAR THEN I'M TAKING MINE THE SECOND YEAR SO OFF AND ON SO IT WENT BUT UM WE ROOMED TOGETHER A LOT, MATTER OF FACT WE SLEPT TOGETHER AT MY UNCLE'S PLACE WHEN WE WERE PLAYING L.A. OPEN THE FIRST TIME AND UH JOHN COULD PULL THE COVERS UP AND HE'D WIPE HIS FACE AND THEN DO THAT ONE MORE TIME.GONE, JUST LIKE YOU'D CUT A LIGHT OFF AND I'M OVER THERE WHOPPING THAT BED BOY I'M TURNING ONE WAY AND THEN THE OTHER AND THEN OH IT WAS AWFUL AND WE FINALLY YOU KNOW HE'D GET UP IN THE MORNING AND UH BOY GO BOOM BOOM BOOM TO THE BATHROOM AND THEN HE'D COME BACK AND JUMP ON ME IN BED AND UH WELL THAT WENT ON AND SO I FINALLY SAID, BOO-BOO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SEPARATE ROOMS NOW AND UM THEN AFTER THAT WE DID WE HAD SEPARATE ROOMS.

PETER KESSLER

DID, DID HE JUMP ON YOU LAST YEAR AT THE UH LEGENDS OF GOLF?

SAM SNEAD

NO I'M GLAD HE DIDN'T.

PETER KESSLER

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH SAM SNEAD. DON'T GO AWAY.

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