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Golf Talk Live - Tiger Woods Transcript Segment 8

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PETER KESSLER (MALE )

WELCOME BACK TO GOLF TALK LIVE THIS IS A GREAT HONOR WE HAVE THE GOLF CHANNELS LIVE GOLF PRODUCER KEITH HERSLIN CALLING FROM HAWAII, HE'S PROBABLY WORKING ON HIS GAME , HOW ARE YOU KEITH?

PHONE CALLER KEITH

I'M GOOD PETER HOW ARE YOU?

PETER KESSLER

DOING GREAT THANKS FOR CALLING US.

PHONE CALLER KEITH

TIGER HOW ARE YA?

TIGER WOODS

I'M DOING WELL.

PHONE CALLER KEITH

I'M JUST CURIOUS A HAVE YOU MAPPED OUT YOUR SCHEDULE YET FOR 1997 AND HOW MANY TIMES WERE GOING TO GET TO SEE YOU ON THE GOLF CHANNEL , OTHER THAN DEFENDING YOUR CROWN AT DISNEY.

PETER KESSLER

ASK HIM WHAT YOU REALLY THINK KEITH.

PHONE CALLER KEITH

THAT'S WHAT I REALLY THINK.

PETER KESSLER

I KNOW I WAS KIDDING.

TIGER WOODS

I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO BE DOING. I'VE KIND OF MAPPED OUT THE FIRST QUARTER OF MY SEASON UP TO THE MASTERS JUST A BRIEF DEAL I HAVEN'T EXACTLY LOOKED IN DEPTH WHETHER OR NOT I'M GOING TO PLAY THIS OR THAT BUT I KNOW ONE THINGS FOR SURE I WON'T BE PLAYING 9 OUT OF 10 WEEKS LIKE I DID THIS FALL.

PETER KESSLER

BUT WILL YOU BE PLAYING WITH DAD AT PEBBLE BEACH IF ALL GOES WELL.?

TIGER WOODS

THAT IS ONE THING I'M LOOKING FORWARD TOO.

PETER KESSLER

WHAT KIND OF GAME DOES DAD HAVE?

TIGER WOODS

YOU KNOW POP, I'M SAYING POP WHATEVER YOU DO YOU KNOW EITHER PLAY EVERY DAY OR POST YOUR SCORES AND GET THAT THING UP, I'M NOT GOING TO REVEAL WHAT HIM HANDICAP IS.

PETER KESSLER

I'M GONNA LET YOU OFF THE HOOK, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU FROM OUR GENIUS PRODUCER LEE SEIGEL. LEE SAYS FOR SOMEONE WHO LOVES TO DROP BY THE NETWORK AND WATCH TAPE OF SOME OF THE OLD GREAT TOURNAMENTS OF THE PAST ARE YOU ADDITIONALLY A VERACIOUS READER AND STUDIER OF THE HISTORY OF THE GAME IN ANY WAY?

TIGER WOODS

YEAH I KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE GAME FROM BOTH SIDES.

PETER KESSLER

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?

TIGER WOODS

BOTH SIDES WHETHER IT'S THE ANCIENT SIDE WHICH IS PREDOMINATELY FROM I HATE TO SAY IT, THE CAUCASIAN SIDE AND ALSO FROM THE AFRICAN AMERICAN SIDE. I KNOW BOTH SIDES OF THAT AND BOTH STORIES AND I'VE LEARNED FROM THEM AND THAT TO ME IS VERY INTERESTING IF YOU CAN EVER UNDERSTAND BOTH PERSPECTIVES OF WHAT HAPPENED.

PETER KESSLER

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SECOND PERSPECTIVE YOU KNOW IN 1961 CHARLEY SIFFER REALLY WAS THE FELLOW RESPONSIBLE WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO PLAY THE PGA OUT IN CALIFORNIA AND FOR BREAKING THE CAUCASIAN ONLY CLAUSE WHICH IS RECENTLY AS 1961 WAS PART OF THE PGA TOUR. WHICH WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE USGA AND I SUPPOSE YOU KNOW THIS BUT IN 1895 WHEN THEY PLAYED THE FIRST US OPEN ACTUALLY IT WAS THE SECOND ONE 1896 I'M THINKING OF AT SHINACOCK WHEN JOHN SHIPPIN WHO HAS BLACK BLOOD AND AMERICAN INDIAN BLOOD WANTED TO PLAY IN THE EVENT AND THEY WENT TO THEODORE HAFIMEYER SOME OF THE ENGLISH PROFESSIONAL AND SAID WE WON'T PLAY WITH ANYBODY WHO HAS MIXED BLOOD OR COLOR THAT ISN'T WHITE AND THEY SAID WELL THE COMPETITION WILL GO ON ANYWAY BECAUSE MR. SHIPPIN IS GOING TO PLAY AND HE DID AND THAT WAS 100 YEARS AGO AMAZING TO THINK IT TOOK UNTIL 1961 FOR THE TOUR THE BEST PLAYERS TO ALLOW MEN WITH BLACK SKIN INTO THE MIDST. WHAT DOES NAMES LIKE, CHARLEY SIFFERD AND LEE ELDER MEAN TO YOU.

TIGER WOODS

WELL FOR ONE THING THAT PEOPLE FAIL TO REALIZE AND THINK THAT THE CIVIL RIGHTS AMENDMENT THAT HAPPENED IN THE 1960'S , THEY THINK IT CHANGED A 180, BUT IN GOLF IT DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY EITHER IN 61 CHARLEY BROKE THE CAUCASIAN CLAUSE THE TOUR THEN MADE IT THEN SO IT WAS NO LONGER TOURNAMENTS THEY MADE IT INVITATIONAL SO YOU ONLY COULD BE INVITED AND SO THAT POLICY WENT ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND UNFORTUNATELY IT HAS TAKEN IT'S TOLL ON CHARLEY AND I TREAT CHARLEY LIKE HE'S MY GRANDFATHER I LOVE HIM DEARLY AND HE'S THE TYPE OF GUY THAT, THEY WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM LATELY WHERE HE CAN'T PLAY ON THE SENIOR TOUR BECAUSE OF HIS EXEMPT STATUS RAN OUT, HE' S NOT ON THE CAREER MONEY LIST THE REASON WHY HE'S NOT ON THERE IS BECAUSE HE WASN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY ENOUGH TOURNAMENTS, IT'S STUPID AND IT'S OBVIOUS AND I THINKS IT'S VERY IGNORANT ON THE TOURS PART BUT I THINK THAT OVER TIME PEOPLE WILL SEE WHAT THERE WRONGS ARE BUT CHARLEY, LEE AND TEDDY RHODES ALL AFRICAN AMERICAN PLAYERS AND I OWE THEM A BIG GRATITUDE OF BIG THANKS BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T FOR THEM PLAYERS LIKE MYSELF OR OTHER MINORITIES COULDN'T PLAY THIS GAME.

PETER KESSLER

BUT IT HASN'T CHANGED NEARLY ENOUGH AND I'M NOT SURE WHO HAD THE PERCEPTION THAT THERE WAS A 180 AT THAT TIME BECAUSE THERE WERE SO FEW MEN WITH BLACK SKIN PLAYING THE TOUR THAT YOU KNOW YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE YOUR HEAD IN THE GROUND TO THINK THAT THERE'S ANY SENSE OF A QUALITY AND HERE WE ARE IN ALMOST THE YEAR 2000 AND I'M NOT SURE WE'VE MADE GREAT STRIDES FORWARD .

TIGER WOODS

NO ACTUALLY WE HAVEN'T UNFORTUNATELY GOLF'S TAKEN ON A SUBTLE VERSION NOW WHERE IT'S IT WILL GET YOU A DIFFERENT WAY.

PETER KESSLER

TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT.

TIGER WOODS

YOU KNOW CLUBS POLICIES, THERE RULES
IN ORDER TO JOIN A COUNTRY CLUB YOU CAN'T BE THIS OR THAT. OTHER POLICIES YOU CAN'T VOTE, THESE POLICIES WILL INEVITABLY ADD UP IF YOU GO ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY AND YOU START LOOKING AT THESE POLICIES AT VARIOUS CLUBS AND YOU'LL START TO SEE WHAT THEY'VE BEEN PRACTICING. I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I'LL JUST BRIEFLY DAB INTO IT IN 1994, IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA I WAS KICKED OFF A GOLF CLUB BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF MY SKIN.

PETER KESSLER

NOW YOUR NOT REFERRING TO THE DRIVING RANGE INCIDENT ARE YOU?

TIGER WOODS

YES I AM.

PETER KESSLER

TELL PEOPLE WHAT HAPPEN A LITTLE BIT.

TIGER WOODS

A LITTLE BIT, JUST REAL BRIEFLY I WAS HITTING BALLS AND ARMY GUYS WERE HITTING BALLS AS WELL AND THEY WERE HITTING THE BALLS IN THE HOUSE AND I WAS ACTUALLY GOING OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND THIS GUY PHONED IN THE PRO AND SAID THIS LITTLE NIGER WAS HITTING BALLS AT MY HOUSE AND THE PRO COMES SCREAMING OUT THERE ACCUSING ME OF DOING THIS AND I SAID HEY I'M NOT THAT BAD OF A PLAYER I'M FIRING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION HOW AM I GOING TO HIT THE BALL STRAIGHT OVER HERE TO MY LEFT WHEN IT'S BEHIND ME IF YOUR THAT STUPID OPEN YOUR EYES BUD AND THAT INCIDENT WAS PRETTY TOUGH AND AS LATE AS 1994 AND PEOPLE THINK THAT IT HAS CHANGED BUT IT REALLY HASN'T.

PETER KESSLER

WHAT WOULD YOUR POLICY BE, WHAT IS YOUR POLICY IF FOR EXAMPLE YOUR INVITED TO PLAY GOLF AT A CLUB, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOUR EVENT NOW JUST A PLAYING A SOCIAL ROUND OF GOLF WHERE YOU KNOW THEY ADMITTED A BLACK MAN, A JEWISH MAN SOMEBODY BUT AS A TOKEN NOT A REAL ENTRANCE NO OPEN ARMS BUT A TOKEN INVITATION DO YOU GO PLAY?

TIGER WOODS

YOU KNOW YES I DO BECAUSE IT'S A START, YOU GOT TO START SOMEWHERE AND THAT IS A GROUND BREAKING POINT AND YOU GOT TO MOVE ON FROM THERE. I THINK THAT IF IT'S MYSELF PLAYING AS A MINORITY OR SOMEONE ELSE MAYBE WE CAN INFLUENCE THESE PEOPLES PERSPECTIVE ON LIFE AND HAVE THEM OPEN THERE EYES TO THE 90'S.

PETER KESSLER

SO PART OF YOUR OVER ALL PLAN AND PART OF THE THING YOUR DAD IS THINKING ABOUT REALLY IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE 15 AND 20 YEARS FROM NOW ON TOUR IN A SENSE, ISN'T IT.

TIGER WOODS

WELL IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY, CHANGE DOESN'T HAPPEN OVER NIGHT.

PETER KESSLER

THAT'S WHY I SAID 15

TIGER WOODS

IT MAY TAKE LONGER THAN THAT BUT AS LONG AS WE KEEP MAKING CHANGE IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION THEN CHANGE IS GOOD IF IT HAPPENS SLOWLY SO BE IT AS LONG AS IT'S GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TRY AND SPEED UP THE PROCESS, I'M GOING TO TRY AND SPEED UP THE PROCESS BUT WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH AND IT'S ALL BASED UPON KNOWLEDGE AND UNTIL PEOPLE UNDERSTAND OTHER PEOPLES CULTURES, PERSPECTIVES ON HOW THEY VIEW OTHER RACES THEN WERE GOING TO BE IN THE DARK AND THAT'S ABOUT IT, RIGHT THERE.

PETER KESSLER

IS IT IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO HAVE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE AS YOUR MOM WOULD SAY A UNIVERSAL CHILD YOU'VE GOT THAI BLOOD, YOU'VE GOT EUROPEAN BLOOD, AND AMERICAN INDIAN BLOOD, AND AFRICAN BLOOD AND WHAT AM I FORGETTING?

TIGER WOODS

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT, I MEAN I'M THE UNITED NATIONS RIGHT HERE,

PETER KESSLER

NOW BEING THE UNITED NATIONS DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR IMPACT THERE FOR CAN SPREAD OUTSIDE OF OUR COUNTRY, OUTSIDE OF THE CITIES WHERE THE FOUNDATION WILL TRY TO MAKE AN IMPACT.

TIGER WOODS
YEAH, I HONESTLY BELIEVE SO WITH MY ASIAN BACK GROUND ESPECIALLY, WITH THE GREAT ASIAN BOOM IN GOLF THE FAR EAST IS GOING TO EXPLODE AND IF I CAN INFLUENCE THAT AND HAVE THAT SPREAD EVEN MORE THEN I'LL BE VERY HAPPY BECAUSE MY MOM IS THAI AND I HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY BACK HOME AND IF I CAN GET THEM GET MY FAMILY WELL OFF BECAUSE OF THIS AS WELL AND INFLUENCE THEM TO PLAY GOLF AND HAVE THEM SPREAD THAT AND HELP EDUCATE PEOPLE IN GENERAL ON THE GAME OF GOLF AND LIFE THEN I WILL BE VERY HAPPY.

PETER KESSLER

ON BEHALF OF EVERY BODY THAT'S WATCHING THANKS FOR SHARING THAT WITH US.

TIGER WOODS
THANK YOU!

PETER KESSLER

WERE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT BREAK AND WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK.

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