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Golf Talk Live - Tom Watson Transcript Segment 4

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PETER KESSLER
ALRIGHT HERE'S A QUESTION SUBMITTED TO OUR WEBSITE FOR THE TWO OF YOU. A MAJOR MANUFACTURER IS SELLING A CLUB THAT DOESN'T CONFORM WITH THE RULES OF GOLF. IT'S TIME FOR A

MANUFACTURER AND A HIGH PROFILE PLAYER TO VOICE THEIR OPINION, JIM IN HOUSTON, TEXAS SAYS TO THE TWO OF YOU. WELCOME, AS SOON AS WE COME BACK ON CAMERA, FOUNDER, PRESIDENT, CEO OF ADAMS GOLF. BARNEY ADAMS, GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.

BARNEY ADAMS, CHAIRMAN & CEO, ADAMS GOLF (MALE):
THANK YOU, PETER.

PETER KESSLER
WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION, SIR?

BARNEY ADAMS
WELL, I DO NOT THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE GAME TO VIOLATE THE RULES, ONCE YOU START IN THAT DIRECTION WHERE DO YOU STOP? I DON'T THINK IT'S HEALTHY. SECONDLY, I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR

THE GOLF PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT, FOR MANY MANUFACTURERS WELL DESIGNED DRIVERS THAT ARE CONFORMING, PLAY JUST AS WELL AS DESIRED DRIVERS THAT ARE NOT CONFORMING. THERE'S SOME MYSTIQUE OUT THERE THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU GO OVER THE SPEC, YOU'VE GOT THIS MAGIC DRIVER THAT HITS THE BALL, YOU

KNOW, 400 YARDS FURTHER. IT JUST ISN'T TRUE. IT'S A VERY, VERY FINE LINE, SO IT, IT, I KNOW WE ALL LIVE ON HOPE, BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S HEALTHY.

TOM WATSON
WELL, MY, MY RESPONSE IS WHAT, WHAT'S NEXT. I THOUGHT WE MIGHT SEE IT HERE AT THE PGA MERCHANDISE SHOW HERE THIS WEEK. A BALL MANUFACTURE COMING OUT WITH A GOLF BALL THAT

WENT 25% FARTHER, WHICH CAN BE DONE, ACCORDING TO PEOPLE IN THE GOLF BALL MANUFACTURING BUSINESS. THEY CAN MAKE A GOLF BALL THAT'S THAT HOT AND WE PLAY BY, WE PLAY BY THE RULES.

THIS IS A TOUGH ENOUGH GAME, BUT THE THING IS, WHY DO YOU PLAY BY ANY OTHER SET OF RULES BUT THAT ONE SET OF RULES. YOU CAN'T COMPARE YOURSELF TO ANYTHING ELSE. YOU CAN'T COMPARE

YOURSELF TO SOMEBODY IF YOU WERE USING AN ILLEGAL CLUB OR AN ILLEGAL GOLF BALL OR YOU KICKED THE BALL IN THE ROUGH. YOU TAKE A MULLIGAN. YOU GIVE YOURSELF A THREE FOOT PUTT. YOU WANT TO SHOOT THAT. YOU WANT TO BREAK 80, AND YOU GO OUT, AND YOU GO

OUT THERE AND YOU, YOU HIT EVERY SHOT. YOU MAKE EVERY PUTT AND YOU SHOOT A 79. BOY YOU FEEL GOOD AND THE GAME, THE GAME IS PLAYED THAT WAY, AND THERE'S NO ADVANTAGE, AND

THAT'S WHAT THE USGA AND THE R&A ARE FOR. THE DIFFICULTY I SEE RIGHT NOW IS THE, IS THE CHASM, IF YOU WILL, BETWEEN THE R&A AND THE USGA ON THIS ISSUE, ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE OF THE TRAMPOLINE EFFECT OF THE DRIVERS.

I WISH THEY WOULD GET TOGETHER AND BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, COME TO A JOINT, JOINT CONCLUSION ON WHAT IS, WHAT IS AND IS NOT THE TRAMPOLINE EFFECT OF THE DRIVER AND, AND THAT SHOULD LEAD TO OTHER, OTHER DECISIONS. THEY,

THEY, THEY, THEY SHOULD JOINTLY BE ABLE TO MAKE, AND THAT, THAT DISTURBS ME AND I'M SURE IT DISTURBS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN BOTH THE R&A AND THE USGA SEEING SOME

CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND IT, IT IS... IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.

PETER KESSLER
AND AS BARNEY, BARNEY AND I CAN CONFIRM TO YOU, BREAKING 80 BY SHOOTING 79, ACTUALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 80 AND 79 IS TEN SHOTS, IT'S NOT ONE SHOT. IT FEELS LIKE TEN SHOTS.

TOM WATSON
(LAUGHS)

PETER KESSLER
TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS DRIVER THAT YOU'VE DESIGNED THAT HE CAN PLAY WITH BUT THAT ALSO I COULD PLAY WITH.

BARNEY ADAMS
WELL THAT'S KIND OF THE CHALLENGE, PETER. WHEN YOU DESIGN A GOLF CLUB, WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNING IT, LET'S SAY WITH A TOM WATSON IN MIND, THE PROCEDURE THAT YOU FOLLOW IS THAT YOU, FIRST, WHEN YOU TEST, YOU USE

HIS SWING SPEED AND YOU MEASURE PERFORMANCE OFF THE MIDDLE OF THE CLUB WITH HIS SWING SPEED BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE HE HITS IT, AND ONCE YOU'VE OPTIMIZED PERFORMANCE OFF THE MIDDLE OF THE CLUB WITH HIS SWING SPEED, NOW YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND

OR REMEMBER, MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT, THAT THE AVERAGE GOLFER DOESN'T HIT IT HERE VERY OFTEN. THE REASON THE HEADS WERE MADE LARGER WAS TO INCREASE THE

RESISTANCE TO OFF CENTER HITS, BECAUSE THE AVERAGE GOLFER HITS THE BALL ALL OVER THE FACE, SO IF I DESIGN A GOLF CLUB THAT'S GOOD FOR TOM, ONLY IN THE MIDDLE, BUT NOT SO GOOD HERE AND

HERE, I'VE HELPED HIM, BUT I HAVEN'T HELPED MY MARKET PLACE, OR
CONVERSELY, IF YOU, SAY THEORETICALLY, IF YOU IGNORE TOM AND DO THE OPPOSITE, SO ONCE YOU'VE OPTIMIZED

TOM WATSON
AND SOME CLUBS HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WAY.

BARNEY ADAMS
OH OF COURSE

TOM WATSON
IN OTHER WORDS, THE, THE BETTER HIT IS OFF THE TOE.

BARNEY ADAMS
OH OF COURSE. YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S

TOM WATSON
THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF, MOST PLAYERS HIT IT

BARNEY ADAMS
YEAH, BUT, THERE'S, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT, SO, TO ME, THE ESSENCE OF DESIGN IS TO MEET HIS SPECIFICATIONS, AND AT THE SAME TIME,

THEN DESIGN IN BY THE SHAPE OF THE CLUB, OR HOWEVER YOU DO IT, BUT, WHEN, AND YOU'RE TESTING, YOU GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE AS GOOD AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY BE AROUND THE FACE. THEN YOU GET THE BENEFIT FOR BOTH

PLAYERS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING MORE FUN IN GOLF FOR AN AMATEUR GOLFER, WHEN YOU HIT ONE AND YOU KNOW YOU HAVEN'T QUITE NAILED IT, BUT WHEN IT GETS OUT IN THE FAIRWAY IT'S OUT THERE PRETTY GOOD.

I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HE DOESN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. HE HITS IT IN THE MIDDLE. THAT'S A BIG DEAL FOR ME.

PETER KESSLER
TELL ME WHY YOU LIKE THIS IDEA OF HAVING THE GRAPHITE SHAFT WITH THE STEEL TIP IN THE DRIVER AND THE FAIRWAY CLUBS, THE FAIRWAY WOOD CLUBS AND WHY THE STEEL WITH THE GRAPHITE TIP IS WORKING PARTICULARLY WELL IN THE IRONS, FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

TOM WATSON
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I, BARNEY CAME TO ME A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, ACTUALLY, WHEN WE WERE, WE JOINED FORCES A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, HE, HE CAME AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, TOM, WHAT KIND OF GUY ARE YOU AND I SAID WHAT KIND OF

GUY ARE YOU AND WE JUST, WE, WE'RE ON, WE'RE BY OURSELVES AND JUST TALKING, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR PHILOSOPHY OF THE GAME AND, AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER, AND HE JUST SAID,

WELL, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS THING I'VE GOT FOR YOU AND IT WAS A 7 IRON WITH A GRAPHITE

TIP TO IT, AND HE SAID HIT THIS THING ,SO I HIT IT AND IT, IT DIDN'T FEEL PARTICULARLY GOOD AT FIRST AND I SAID WELL WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE CONCEPT HERE AND HE SAID WELL, THIS IS VERY STIFF, WE'VE GOT A STEEL SHAFT, AND HE

SAID, THE CONCEPT IS, THE GOOD PLAYERS, VERY GOOD PLAYERS ALL USE STEEL IN THEIR IRONS. THEY DON'T USE GRAPHITE IN THE IRONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PROBLEM OF THE, OF THE CLUB BEING TOO LIGHT, TOO LIGHT AND THEY GET DIFFERENT DISTANCES, AND HE SAID

WHAT I'VE DONE HERE, THIS HAS BEEN, YOU'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT. YOU TOLD ME YOU'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT FOR 7 OR 8 YEARS OR WAS IT

BARNEY ADAMS
THAT'S RIGHT

TOM WATSON
LONGER THAN THAT?

BARNEY ADAMS
NO, IT STARTED 7 YEARS AGO. IT TOOK ME, TOOK PEOPLE SMARTER THAN ME, 5 YEARS JUST TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP FROM BREAKING.

TOM WATSON
YEAH

BARNEY ADAMS
THAT WAS THE BIG DEAL.

TOM WATSON
EXACTLY

BUT UH THE KEY HERE IS HAVE THE CONSISTENCY OF THE A STEEL SHAFT WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW THE DISTANCE. NOW WHEN I PLAY, WHEN I'M SWINGING MY BEST, I GO OUT, I HIT MY OWN BALLS, I
GO OUT AND PICK THEM UP AND I'LL HIT 7

IRONS AND I'LL HIT 3 IRONS, AND IF THERE'S NO WIND AND I'M REALLY HITTING THE BALL WELL, I WON'T HAVE 3 OR 4 YARDS DI... DISTANCE DIFFERENCE IN

THE 7 IRON IF I'M JUST HITTING JUST ONE TYPE OF SHOT AND OF COURSE I'M TRYING TO HIT CUT SHOTS AND HOOKS LIKE THAT, BUT, IF I'M JUST TRYING TO HIT TEN SHOTS JUST THE SAME, I'LL GO, I'LL GO OUT THERE, I'LL HAVE NO MORE THAN 3 OR 4

YARDS DISTANCE, DIFFERENCE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, THAT'S YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS FELT THE STEEL SHAFT GIVES YOU THAT. THE GRAPHITE SHAFT DID NOT GIVE YOU THAT. THE REASON THIS IS IN HERE IS TO DAMPEN THE EFFECT OF THE, OF, OF THE MISS HIT, OR MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT A SOFTER HIT, JUST LIKE YOU

GET WITH A GRAPHITE, GRAPHITE SHAFT. MY FRIEND, TREVINO, USED GRAPHITE SHAFTS FOR A WHILE BECAUSE HIS ARMS WERE SORE AND IT MADE A DIFFERENCE FOR HIM BECAUSE THE SOFTER HIT, LESS

VIBRATION. SO YOU HAVE A COMBINATION OF CONSISTENCY OF DISTANCE WITH THE STEEL AND LESS VIBRATION, BUT JUST THAT, THAT MUCH, THAT'S ALL THAT'S NECESSARY, GIVES A LITTLE BIT LESS VIBRATION, AND THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY IT WORKS, IT WORKS THAT WAY.

PETER KESSLER
CAN YOU STAY A FEW MORE MINUTES?

BARNEY ADAMS
SURE

PETER KESSLER
ALRIGHT, DON'T GO AWAY. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

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