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Golf Talk Live Transcript - Arnold Palmer - January 8 2001 - Part 2

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ARNOLD PALMER
OKAY. SO, I'VE MENTIONED TESTING IN TWO PERCENT. OKAY. NOW, IN, IN, IN THOSE PEOPLE WHO QUESTION THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION, WILL BE ABLE, IN A COUPLE OF DAYS TO PICK UP FROM THE
 
GOLF CHANNEL WEBSITE, WHAT THE R&A'S POSITION IS ON THIS AND THEY HAVE SAID INITIALLY THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO RUIN THE GAME OF GOLF. IT ISN'T GOING TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE GAME OF GOLF. IT IS GOING TO
 
MAKE IT THE SAME GAME, AND THEN, AND THEY DID A LITTLE RESEARCH, THEY LET ALL THE PLAYERS ON THE EUROPEAN TOUR, ALL THE PLAYERS AROUND THE WORLD, EXCEPT FOR THE UNITED STATES AND MEXICO, USE THIS GOLF CLUB, OR USE
YOU KNOW
 
PETER KESSLER
OR CAN CERTAINLY. HOW MANY, LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION
 
PETER KESSLER
(LAUGHING)
 
ARNOLD PALMER
AND YOU'RE PRETTY HOT AND, AND OF COURSE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY SOMETHING TO ME ABOUT CALLAWAY. YOU KNOW, CALLAWAY IS ONE OF THE, THEY HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC. THEY ARE, TO ME, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYBODY THINKS I SOLD MY COMPANY TO CALLAWAY. I DIDN'T SELL MY COMPANY TO CALLAWAY
 
PETER KESSLER
AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT. I, I TELL YOU
 
ARNOLD PALMER
WELL NO WE'RE GETTING INTO IT RIGHT NOW.
 
PETER KESSLER
ALRIGHT
 
ARNOLD PALMER
I'M, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL AND THEY, LIKE I, AND LIKE EVERYONE, THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE GAME OF GOLF, AND A VERY DEFINITE POSITIVE INTEREST IN THE GAME OF GOLF AND THEY ARE A BUSINESS GROUP OF BUSINESS PEOPLE AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE WORLD OF GOLF AND YOU SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE GOLF BUSINESS ARE GOING DOWN THE DRAIN, I.E. . IF YOU WISH.
 
PETER KESSLER
(LAUGHS)
 
ARNOLD PALMER
AND DIDN'T MAKE IT, AND THEY ARE NOT HURTING THE GAME. THEY ARE, THEY'RE GIVING US SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT JUST TAKE A LOOK AND, AND THIS IS A LITTLE JUMP TO THE SIDE
 
OF HOW MANY NON-CONFORMING GOLF CLUBS ARE BEING MADE BY MANUFACTURERS AROUND THE WORLD. I MEAN IT'S A LONG LIST. SO, MY FRIENDS AT CALLAWAY, AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE
 
DOING IS, HAS, HAS REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ARGUMENT. IF THEY BUILD A BETTER GOLF CLUB, SO BE IT. LET THEM SELL IT AND LET THEM HAVE FUN SELLING IT. THEY DON'T PAY ME ONE CENT TO ENDORSE A NON-CONFORMING GOLF CLUB AND I AM NOT ENDORSING THAT GOLF
 
CLUB. IF I USE IT, THAT'S MY BUSINESS AND I USE IT ON MY TIME, IN MY WAY SO THAT IS THAT AND WE'LL PUT THAT OVER HERE. WE'LL NOW TALK ABOUT THE ENJOYMENT OF THE GAME OF GOLF AND IF MY FRIEND, CHARLIE MEECHUM CAN GO OUT AND, AND HIT A GOLF BALL AND
 
HAVE A LITTLE MORE FUN WITH HIS WIFE PLAYING WITH A NON-CONFORMING GOLF CLUB AND IN NO COMPETITION, HE ISN'T TURNING IN HIS HANDICAP SCORE WITH THAT CLUB OR ANYTHING, HE'S JUST HAVING FUN. SO BE THAT.
 
PETER KESSLER
ARE YOU SAYING THAT, THEREFORE THE ONLY TIMES THAT, YOU'VE JUST SAID YOU'RE NOT ENDORSING THAT NON-CONFORMING CLUB. YOU'RE NOT BEING PAID TO ENDORSE IT AND ONE THING THAT YOU ALMOST SAID, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR AUDIENCE UNDERSTANDS
 
THAT IS, THAT THERE WAS NO DEAL MADE IN THE WINDING UP OF THE AFFAIRS OF THE ARNOLD PALMER GOLF COMPANY WHERE YOU WOULD THEREFORE AGREE TO ENDORSE A NON-CONFORMING CLUB.
 
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS OUT ON THE TABLE.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
THAT IS CORRECT.
 
PETER KESSLER
SO, THE PLACES THAT WE CAN USE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T CONFORM, AND IN THIS CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SINGLE GOLF CLUB NOW, IS PRACTICE TEE TO SEE HOW FAR YOU CAN HIT IT OR IF CHARLIE MEECHUM WANTS TO GO OUT AND PLAY A COUPLE OF HOLES TO SEE IF
 
HE CAN GET THIS CLUB UP IN THE AIR, BUT NO MEMBER - GUESTS, NO ROUNDS WITH YOUR BUDDIES, NOTHING WHERE YOU TURN IN A SCORE, NO TOURNAMENTS , NO REGULAR 18 HOLE ROUNDS AS YOU AND I KNOW THEM.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
WELL YOU CAN USE IT, BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
 
PETER KESSLER
HANG ON FOR A SECOND, NOW DON'T, BECAUSE THE SPONSORS WHO PAY OUR BILLS
 
ARNOLD PALMER
WELL THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME
 
PETER KESSLER
INCLUDING THE NICE FOLKS AT CALLAWAY. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
 
(BREAK)
 
PETER KESSLER
YOU WERE GOING TO MENTION AN R&A THOUGHT THAT YOU HAD ARNIE.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
YES, AND, AND, UH AND PETER, SINCE THEY HAVEN'T JOINED THE USGA IN THIS RULE THING WITH NON-CONFORMING GOLF CLUBS, AND THERE ARE MANY REASONS, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO ALL OF THOSE, I, I, AS I SAID EARLIER
 
I'M INTERESTED IN GETTING THEM TOGETHER. I REMEMBER WHEN I PLAYED IN THE BRITISH OPEN AND THE SMALL BALL. I HAD TO PLAY THE SMALL BALL, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING.
 
PETER KESSLER
YOU HIT THAT PRETTY GOOD TOO.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
WELL, I WON
 
(ARNOLD AND PETER LAUGHING)
 
ARNOLD PALMER
TWICE WITH IT, AND I DIDN'T WIN WITH THE BIG BALLS, SO MAYBE IT'S, YEAH, WELL, THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES, ANYWAY, AND I HAD TO QUALIFY. I WON THE BRITISH OPEN AND HAD TO QUALIFY
 
PETER KESSLER
AS A MAJOR CHAMPION, YOU HAD TO, REMEMBER?
 
ARNOLD PALMER
EXACTLY, WELL THAT'S. OKAY.
 
PETER KESSLER
RIGHT
 
ARNOLD PALMER
BUT, WHAT THEY DID AND, AND, THEY, THEY LET THE CLUB GO, AND NOT JUST ONE CLUB, THERE WERE, THERE WERE ABOUT 14 NON-CONFORMING DRIVING GOLF CLUBS IN THE MARKETPLACE, AROUND THE WORLD. SO IT'S NOT JUST
 
CALLAWAY, IT'S, IT'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S COMPETITION AND IT'S BUSINESS COMPETITION AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. YOU'RE, YOU'RE A COMPETITOR. WE COMPETE IN THE, IN THE, ON THE GOLF CHANNEL. WE
 
COMPETE WITH EVERYTHING. THEY LET THE CLUB GO ONTO THE TOUR, THE EUROPEAN TOUR , THE WORLD TOUR, EVERYWHERE. THEY CAN USE IT ANYWHERE. THEIR MOST RECENT TOURNAMENT IN AUSTRALIA, THEY COULD USE NON-CONFORMING DRIVERS.
 
PETER KESSLER
YES SIR. WELL AND ACTUALLY IN THAT CASE THEY CONFORMED BECAUSE THEY'RE PLAYING UNDER THE R&A RULES.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
THEY'RE WITHIN THE RULES. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, IT'S A FINE LINE.
 
PETER KESSLER
NOW THE R&A SAID
 
ARNOLD PALMER
OH NOW YOU, HAVE YOU LET ME FINISH? OR ARE YOU GOING TO INTERRUPT ME ALL THE TIME?
 
PETER KESSLER
APPARENTLY NOT, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BREATH THERE.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
JUST LET ME FINISH.
 
PLEASE. SIR.
 
PETER KESSLER
(LAUGHING)
 
ARNOLD PALMER
UH AND THAT IS THAT THERE WERE 40 OF THEM THAT STARTED THE EUROPEAN TOUR. WHEN THE TOUR SORT OF WOUND DOWN TO THE END OF THE YEAR AND THEN IT'D BEGIN UP AGAIN, WHICH IS NOW
 
THERE WERE, AND THIS IS, THIS IS AN ARBITRARY FIGURE, BUT THEY TOLD ME THAT OF THE 40 THERE WERE FOUR LEFT THAT WERE USING THE NON-CONFORMING CLUB., AND, AND THE R&A DECIDED THAT THAT WAS A PRETTY GOOD TEST IN ITSELF.
 
IT MIGHT BE NOT THE TWO PERCENT ONE WAY OR TWO PERCENT THE OTHER WAY, IT WAS THE PLAYERS, IT WAS THE GUYS USING THE GOLF CLUB THAT DECIDED THAT IT MIGHT BE GOOD IN ONE ASPECT
 
BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE GOOD IN THE OTHER ASPECT, SO, LET'S, LET'S JUST REVERSE BACK TO THE, TO THE AMERICAN SITUATION AND SAY WELL, HERE WE ARE, WE, WE CAN'T USE IT EXCEPT IN RECREATIONAL GOLF, AND IF A GUY WANTS TO USE IT IN RECREATIONAL GOLF, HE ISN'T GOING TO PLAY IN A
 
TOURNAMENT AND IF HE WAS, HE MIGHT NOT WANT TO USE IT ANYWAY, BUT THE FACT IS THAT I USED THE CHARLIE MEECHUM SYN... AS A THING, AND IT IS
 
PRETTY GOOD, THAT IF A GUY GOES OUT AND HE CAN HIT THE BALL A LITTLE BIT BETTER, HE ISN'T GOING TO PLAY IN THE BRITISH OPEN OR HE ISN'T GOING TO PLAY IN ANY MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIP.
 
PETER KESSLER
OR A MEMBER - GUEST FOR THAT MATTER.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
AND DO YOU THINK HE'S CHEATING?
 
PETER KESSLER
NOT IF HE USES IT ON A PRACTICE TEE FOR FUN AND NOT IF HE GOES OUT BY HIMSELF AND PLAYS A COUPLE OF HOLES.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
REST MY CASE.
 
PETER KESSLER
BUT IN ANY OTHER SITUATION, NOT OKAY, NOT A REGULAR ROUND OF GOLF WITH YOUR BUDDIES, NO MEMBER GUEST
 
ARNOLD PALMER
GOOD POINT, BUT, HE, HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
 
PETER KESSLER
NO DIFFERENT THAN I WOULD SAY, ARNOLD, AND TELL ME IF YOU AGREE, THEN A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL PLAYER, DURING BATTING PRACTICE, HITTING WITH AN ALUMINUM BAT, JUST TO SEE HOW FAR HE CAN HIT IT
 
ARNOLD PALMER
OOPS
 
PETER KESSLER
IN BATTING PRACTICE, NOT A GAME, NOT IN ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TOP OF THE FIRST INNING. IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING FOR FUN ON THE SIDE, THAT'S NO LONGER BASEBALL WHEN A MAJOR LEAGUER HITS AN ALUMINUM BAT FOR FUN. THAT'S HAVING FUN FOR FUN.
 
SO YOU'RE ENDORSING THAT CONCEPT.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
I'M EN. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO
 
PETER KESSLER
DRIVING RANGE, A COUPLE OF HOLES BY THEM SELF.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
NO. I'M ENDORSING PEOPLE COMING OUT AND ENJOYING GOLF. HAVING FUN PLAYING GOLF AND IF, IF THERE'S A GOLF CLUB THAT IS TWO PERCENT MORE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR SOMEONE TO JUST GO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FUN, NOT IN COMPETITION AS I KEEP SAYING, BUT JUST FOR THEM, IT MIGHT GET THEM INTO THE GAME. THEY MAY END UP PLAYING THE V-F-T, BECAUSE I TELL YOU WHAT, IT IS CONFORMING, AND IT IS PRETTY DAG GONE GOOD. I USED IT
 
PETER KESSLER
THAT'S THE ONE YOU WERE HITTING PAST THE GUYS IN THE SKINS GAME LAST YEAR. WHICH YOU DIDN'T ENJOY THAT VERY MUCH HITTING IT PAST JACK AND STUFF DID YOU?
 
ARNOLD PALMER
NO, BUT, WAIT TILL THIS YEAR. MAYBE I'LL EVEN HIT IT BETTER. WHO KNOWS.
 
PETER KESSLER
LET'S MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE DRAWING THE LINE. SUPPOSE MR. CALLAWAY COMES OUT TOMORROW AND SAYS ARNOLD, I'VE GOT A BALL THAT GOES 500 YARDS THAT EVEN CHARLIE MEECHUM CAN HIT 500 YARDS.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
YEAH BUT HE'S NOT GOING TO DO THAT. HE'S GOING TO STICK TO THE BALL THAT IS WITHIN THE USGA SPECS AND, AND THAT IS SOMETHING. THE, THE COMPETITIVE DRIVER THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WAS BROUGHT ON BY THE FACT THAT IT WAS DISTRIBUTED
 
THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, NOT THE UNITED STATES, BUT THROUGHOUT THE WORLD AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT FACTOR.
 
PETER KESSLER
NOW IN TERMS OF MAKING THE GAME EASIER FOR PEOPLE, YOU EXPLAINED TO ME THE OTHER DAY, THAT REALLY THIS, THIS, THIS NON-CONFORMING CALLAWAY DRIVER, REALLY, IS ONLY EFFECTIVE IN THE HANDS OF A WONDERFUL PLAYER WITH TOUR LIKE
 
ARNOLD PALMER
I DIDN'T SAY THAT.
 
PETER KESSLER
OH YES YOU DID.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
20:NO I DIDN'T.
 
PETER KESSLER
WHAT DID YOU SAY?
 
ARNOLD PALMER
I SAID THAT IF IT GIVES CHARLIE MEECHUM, IF YOU THINK
 
PETER KESSLER
(LAUGHING)
DON'T YOU FUDGE WITH ME
 
ARNOLD PALMER
IF YOU THINK HE, WELL, HE IS A HELL, HE'S A GREAT GUY AND HE'S A GREAT GOLFER, BUT
 
PETER KESSLER
CHARLIE SAYS HE'S A 20 HANDICAP WHO'S NEVER GOING TO GO DOWN TO 19.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
AND ENJOYS HITTING IT A LITTLE FURTHER.
 
PETER KESSLER
BUT CAN HE, BUT ISN'T THAT CLUB REALLY ONLY FOR PEOPLE WITH A 90 MILE AN HOUR SWING SPEED AND REALLY GIVE GREAT PATH AND A VERY SMALL SWEET. IT'S FOR THE BETTER PLAYER, NOT FOR THE NOT BETTER PLAYER DON'T YOU THINK?
 
ARNOLD PALMER
NO.
 
PETER KESSLER
20:NO? WHY?
 
ARNOLD PALMER
WELL THE R&A PROVED THAT WITH THE FACT THAT THEY'VE ALL GONE BACK TO THEIR CLUBS AND THAT, AND THEN THE HIGHER HANDICAP PLAYERS ARE STILL USING IT.
 
PETER KESSLER
YOU KNOW WHAT MAKES ME NERVOUS ABOUT THE R&A AND MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THIS. THE R&A SAID THAT THE ONE REASON, AMONG OTHERS, THAT THEY DID NOT DISALLOW, OR CALL THIS A NON-CONFORMING CLUB IS BECAUSE THEY
 
BELIEVE THAT THERE'S NO MORE COMBINATIONS OF METAL OR TECHNOLOGY THAT EXISTS OR WILL EXIST IN THE FUTURE, THAT COULD COMBINE TO HIT THE BALL ANY FURTHER THAN THIS PARTICULAR GOLF CLUB, AND THE THING
 
THAT SCARES ME ABOUT THAT STATEMENT IS IT REMINDS ME OF THE GUY WHO CLOSED THE PATENT OFFICE IN PHILADELPHIA IN THE 1880'S BECAUSE HE DECIDED EVERYTHING HAD ALREADY BEEN INVENTED.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
WHO IS THAT? BENJAMIN FRANKLIN?
 
PETER KESSLER
(LAUGHS)
HE WAS GONE BY THEN. (LAUGHING)
 
ARNOLD PALMER
NOW PETER. NO, NO. LET'S, LET'S STICK TO THE, LET'S STICK TO WHAT IS REALISTIC AND, UH I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST WONDER HOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE REALLY KNOW WHAT THE SPRING EFFECT IS IN, IN, IN THE GOLF WORLD. THE PEOPLE THAT, WHAT
 
PERCENT KNOW WHAT THE C-O-R AND THE SPRING EFFECT ON A DRIVER IS AND IN, WHERE THAT GOES, AND I HAVE REALLY DONE MY HOMEWORK ON THIS. I HAVE READ AND I HAVE, HAD THE TOP ENGINEERS IN THIS COUNTRY IN THE GOLF BUSINESS, TALK TO ME AND TRY TO
 
EDUCATE ME AS TO WHAT WAS HAPPENING WHEN A GOLF BALL HITS A GOLF CLUB AND, AND WHETHER YOU'RE SWINGING IT, AND, AND OF COURSE, DO
 
YOU KNOW HOW FAST A GOLF CLUB IS GOING WHEN IT HITS A GOLF BALL? DO YOU HAVE ANY, HOW FAST DO YOU THINK
YOU ARE SWINGING THE GOLF CLUB WHEN IT HITS THE BALL?
 
PETER KESSLER
A LOT SLOWER THAN I'D LIKE AND I'D SAY IN THE 80'S BASED ON THE LAST TIME SOMEBODY MEASURED MY SWING SPEED.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
EXACTLY. OKAY. THAT'S, AND THEN THAT'S FAIR, AND, AND THE AVERAGE GOLFER IN AMERICA TODAY, THE, THE HIGHER HANDICAP PLAYER IS SWINGING IN THE 80'S. 80 MILES AN HOUR. DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIGER WOODS SWINGS THE GOLF CLUB?
 
PETER KESSLER
ABOUT ONE AND A QUARTER.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
EXACTLY.
 
PETER KESSLER
HEY ARNOLD. WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOUR DAD DO? WHAT SHOULD THE CLUB PRO DO? WHAT SHOULD THE GUY DO WHO'S ALWAYS SAID TRADITION, THE RULES, YOU PLAY INSIDE THEM. IF THE USGA SAYS IT'S NO GO, IT'S NO GO. WHAT DO
 
YOU WANT THE CLUB PRO TO DO? YOU KNOW, ON THE ONE HAND HE WANTS TO PLAY BY THE USGA RULES AND THE CARDS THAT HE PUTS IN THE LITTLE SLOT BY THE FIRST TEE SAY USGA RULES. NOW HE'S ALSO IN BUSINESS, NOT ONLY TO TEACH AND PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE
 
GAME, BUT HE'S IN BUSINESS TO MAKE A LIVING, BUT IF HE BELIEVES IN THE RULES OF THE GAME, UNDER WHAT BASIS, OTHER THAN THE CLUB PRESIDENT SAYING I WANT TO TRY THAT NEW CLUB AND SEE IF I CAN HIT IT FURTHER.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
WHICH HE'S GOING TO DO.
 
PETER KESSLER
SO WHAT SHOULD THE CLUB PRO DO? WHAT WOULD YOUR DAD SAY ABOUT THIS?
 
ARNOLD PALMER
WELL I THINK THAT, THAT THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO REALLY BUY THAT, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY WHEN THE MAN HITS A MULLIGAN OFF THE FIRST TEE AND YOU'RE THE PRO?
 
PETER KESSLER
I'M GOING TO SAY UNDER THE RULES OF GOLF, JUST MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT TO DO. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HIT A MULLIGAN OFF THE FIRST TEE, THEN YOU MUST ADD TO YOUR SCORE, UNDER THE RULES OF GOLF, WHATEVER THE HANDICAP INDEX IS AS IT RELATES TO YOUR GAME. SEE THERE'S AN ALLOWANCE FOR THAT. THE USGA'S GIVEN US A WAY TO MANAGE THAT PROCESS.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
MY POINT EXACTLY PETER. I AM LOOKING FOR A WAY TO MANAGE A SITUATION THAT YOU ARE MAKING A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE HILL OVER TWO PERCENT. READ ME.
 
PETER KESSLER
I'M NOT MAKING THE MOUNTAIN. THE USGA'S MAKING THE MOUNTAIN.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
NO, YOU ARE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S YOU AND ME
 
PETER KESSLER
BUT, BUT ARE YOU ALL, BUT AREN'T YOU SAYING AT THE SAME TIME THAT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TAKE THAT TWO PERCENT AND GET IT INSIDE THAT MULLIGAN RULE SO IT'S OKAY TO.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
EXACTLY. EXACTLY.
 
PETER KESSLER
SO AS WE
 
ARNOLD PALMER
I WANT, I WANT THE RULES TO BE
 
UNIFORM
 
PETER KESSLER
RIGHT
 
ARNOLD PALMER
I WANT THE R&A, IS IT TIME FOR ME TO MAKE MY LITTLE SPEECH ABOUT THE R&A AND THE USGA
 
PETER KESSLER
I THOUGHT YOU'D BEEN GIVING ONE.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
AND THE FACT THAT, THAT, THAT.PARDON ME
 
PETER KESSLER
(LAUGHING)
I THOUGHT YOU'D BEEN GIVING ONE.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
WELL, I'M TRYING.
 
PETER KESSLER
(LAUGHS)
 
ARNOLD PALMER
THAT I WANT PEOPLE TO ENJOY GOLF AND I HATE CONTROVERSY. I AM, I AM ONE THAT, I REALLY, ALL MY LIFE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NOT HAD TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF CONTROVERSY. I HAVE BEEN IN A VERY FORTUNATE POSITION TO BE ABLE TO PLAY GOLF AND ENJOY THE GAME, AND I
 
MEAN REALLY ENJOY THE GAME. I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE REALLY KNOWS HOW GREAT THIS GAME IS UNLESS THEY WANT TO COME AND TALK TO ME ABOUT
 
REALLY HAVING FUN PLAYING GOLF. I GO PLAY GOLF WITH BILL DAMRON AT BAY HILL EVERY DAY, AND I LOVE IT OR JIM DEATON, MY PRO, AND, AND I LOVE IT, AND I HAVE FUN, AND, AND I STRUGGLE WHEN I'M NOT PLAYING THE KIND OF GOLF I WANT TO, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
 
THAT'S WHAT THE GAME IS ALL ABOUT AND I CAN'T BELIEVE, THAT, THAT, EVEN OUR RULING BODIES, WHETHER IT BE THE R&A, USGA, PGA, PGA TOUR, CAN'T GET TOGETHER ON ONE LITTLE SIMPLE THING AND MAKE IT WORK. NO ONE'S TRYING TO
 
RUIN THE GAME OF GOLF. NOT CALLAWAY, NOT MCGREGOR, NOT ACUSHNET, NOT TITLEIST, NOT ANYONE, BUT THEY ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE TO BE GIVEN THEIR CONSIDERATION TOO, BUT WHY CAN'T WE
 
KEEP THE WHOLE THING TOGETHER? KEEP IT TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN ENJOY THE GAME LIKE I HAVE. THE PRIVILEGES THAT I HAVE BEEN GIVEN THROUGH PLAYING GOLF, AND THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE MET, AND THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT
 
GOLF HAS PRESENTED TO ME ARE SO FANTASTIC. IF I, IF I, JUST, I COULD STAND HERE OR SIT HERE AND TELL YOU ALL NIGHT, HOW GREAT THIS GAME IS, AND TO
 
THINK THAT I'M SITTING HERE ARGUING WITH YOU ABOUT TWO PERCENT OF DISTANCE THAT A GOLF BALL IS GOING TO GO AND SOMEONE SAYS WELL WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE FUTURE OF THE GAME. THE FUTURE OF THE GAME IS PEOPLE GOING OUT AND ENJOYING IT THE WAY I HAVE.
 
THAT'S THE FUTURE OF THE GAME. NOT WHAT SOMEONE IS TELLING ME THAT TWO PERCENT IS GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. LOOK AT TIGER WOODS. DO YOU THINK HE CARES ABOUT TWO PERCENT?. HE, IF I HAD TWO PERCENT ON HIM, OR HE HAD TWO PERCENT ON ME, I'D
BE THE HAPPIEST GUY IN THE WORLD.
 
PETER KESSLER
WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY, ARNOLD, TO SUMMARIZE A POSITION HERE, THAT HISTORICALLY YOU HAVE ALWAYS USED YOUR POSITION IN THE GAME TO WORK WITH THE USGA TO FURTHER THE INTEREST IN THE GAME AND TO TRY TO MAKE IT AN EASIER GAME TO PLAY, AND THAT GOING FORWARD WITH THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF NON-CONFORMING, GOING
 
FORWARD, THAT WHAT YOU REALLY WANT AND INTEND TO DO IS, IS TO TRY TO BRING MANUFACTURERS TOGETHER WITH THE USGA IN AN EFFORT TO APPROVE SOMETHING FIRST SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A NON-CONFORMING, BUT TO USE YOUR POWER , YOUR PRESTIGE, YOUR KNOWLEDGE, YOUR INFLUENCE TO WORK
 
WITH THE USGA TO KEEP THAT LINE THAT I REFERRED TO BEFORE, MOVING, BUT, BUT NOT TO ENDORSE SOMETHING NON-CONFORMING UNTIL IT HAS BECOME CONFORMING UNDER THE RULES THAT YOU HELPED SHAPE GOING FORWARD.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
I WON'T ARGUE THAT POINT, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
 
PETER KESSLER
PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR THAT FROM YOU. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WANTING TO KNOW.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
AND, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE COME UP WITH ALL KINDS OF SOLUTIONS TO THIS PROBLEM LIKE A WORLD RULING BODY WITH THE USGA BEING THE NUCLEUS OF THAT AND THEN HAVING REPRESENTATIVES OF EVERYONE WHO
 
IS KEY TO THE GAME OF GOLF, WHETHER IT BE MANUFACTURES, WHETHER IT BE THE R&A. WHOMEVER IT MIGHT BE. TO BRING IT TOGETHER AND, AND, AND GET IT IN A COMMON WORKING PLACE WHERE EVERYBODY CAN PUT THEIR OPINION IN
 
AND THEN THE GROUP ARBITRATES THE RULES THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE. FIRST OF ALL, I AM.. A NEVER FAILING USGA. MAN AND I, AND I BELIEVE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND I BELIEVE IN THE GAME AND THE WAY IT IS TODAY, AND I WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. NOW, THEY MIGHT SAY TO ME, WELL, THIS NON-CONFORMING CLUB MIGHT RUIN THAT, BUT WE HAVE ALREADY COME TO THE CONCLUSION
THAT THAT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
 
THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THIS NON-CONFORMING CLUB IS NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH RUINING A TRADITION THAT IS AS GREAT AS THE GOLF TRADITION IS IN THE WORLD AND
 
IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH IT IN TRYING TO MAKE THINGS OUT OF IT. SOME OF THE MEDIA, AND THE WAY THE MEDIA HAVE PICKED ON ME, AND I KNOW THEM AND I REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE MY BUDDIES, WHEN THEY WANTED A STORY.
 
PETER KESSLER
THEY'RE STILL YOUR BUDDIES, ARNIE.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
YEAH, WELL I, I READ SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WRITE AND THEY REALLY DISAPPOINTED ME BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T COME TO ME AND SAY WHAT IS ABOUT THIS. TELL US WHY YOU'RE DOING THIS OR WHAT THE STORY IS. THEY WROTE THEIR STORIES AND THAT REALLY
 
HURT ME BECAUSE I HAVE NO ARSENIC IN MY SOUL ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT MAKING THE GAME A GOOD GAME AND IT IS A GOOD GAME. MY FATHER TAUGHT ME MANNERS, HE TAUGHT ME THE RULES, HE TAUGHT ME ETIQUETTE AND HE TAUGHT
 
ME HOW TO PLAY GOLF, AND THAT'S ALL, THAT'S IT FOR ME. THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED. I JUST WANT TO SEE THIS THING SETTLED AND THERE'S NO ONE REALLY AT FAULT. IT, IT'S A
 
COMBINATION OF THINGS. IT'S PROBABLY A COMBINATION OF MISJUDGMENTS AND MAYBE A LITTLE FAST OR OVER REACTION TO SOMETHING THAT MAYBE SOMEONE JUST DIDN'T USE THE PROPER JUDGMENT WHEN THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, PETER, I HAVE ENOUGH
 
FAITH IN THE USGA, THE R&A AND THE GOLFERS IN THE WORLD TO THINK THAT VERY QUICKLY WE WILL SOLVE THIS PROBLEM AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT, AND, AND I HAVE FAITH ENOUGH TO THINK THAT IT WILL HAPPEN SOON.
 
PETER KESSLER
I TELL YOU, THERE'S THREE THINGS THAT YOU SAID TONIGHT THAT WILL CHANGE THE PERCEPTION OF A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT YOU WERE JUST SO UPSET ABOUT. THE STATEMENT THAT YOU'RE NOT ENDORSING A NON-CONFORMING CLUB.
 
THE STATEMENT THAT IN THE FUTURE, AS YOU ALWAYS HAVE IN THE PAST, THAT YOU'LL WORK WITH THE USGA TO GET THESE THINGS FOLDED IN SO THEY'RE CONFORMING, SO THERE'S NEVER A
 
DISAGREEMENT OR NOBODY CAN ACCUSE YOU OF ENDORSING A NON-CONFORMING CLUB AND I THINK THAT WAS THE CONFUSION THAT RESULTED IN SO MUCH OF THE PRESS AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE A HUGE EFFORT TO CLEAR THAT UP TONIGHT.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
WELL, I HOPE SO, UH I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE AND I'M NOT GOING TO BACK DOWN. I'M, I'M WHERE I AM. I'M WHO I AM, AND I'M, AND I'M GOING TO ENJOY GOLF AND I'M GOING TO ENJOY IT WITH MY FRIENDS AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO HELP THEM ENJOY THE GAME AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
 
PETER KESSLER
WHEN WE COME BACK WHY DON'T WE TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OTHER SUBJECTS.
 
ARNOLD PALMER
OKAY.
 
PETER KESSLER
20:I THINK WE'VE COVERED THIS ONE HAVEN'T WE?
 
ARNOLD PALMER
SEEMS LIKE IT.
 
PETER KESSLER
20:I THINK WE HAVE TOO. STICK AROUND FOR ANOTHER THIRTY MINUTES IF YOU DON'T MIND, ALRIGHT? AND WE'VE ALREADY USED UP OUR HOUR. WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER THINGS I'D LOVE TO TALK
TO YOU ABOUT. LET'S CHANGE THE SUBJECT IN ONE MOMENT.
 
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