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Golf Talk Live - World Golf Village Special Transcript Segment 4

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PETER KESSLER
WELCOME BACK. WE ARE NOW JOINED BY SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK AND JOHN JACOBS, GENTLEMEN, GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE. WERE YOU EVER MORE NERVOUS THAN YOU WERE THIS PAST SEPTEMBER WHEN YOU HAD TO STAND ON

THE FIRST TEE AT THE OLD COURSE OF ST. ANDREWS AND DRIVE YOURSELF IN BY HITTING A TEE SHOT AS SECRETARY OF THE R&A?

SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK
I THINK SO, PROBABLY STANDING UP TONIGHT AT THAT RECEPTION AND HAVING TO SPEAK TO ALL OF THESE PEOPLE BEING INDUCTED INTO THE WORLD GOLF HALL OF FAME.

PETER KESSLER
JOHN, WHAT IS IT ABOUT ST. ANDREWS, AND THIS IS REALLY FOR BOTH OF YOU, THAT GIVES IT THE SENSE OF ATMOSPHERE THAT ALL OF US FEEL WHEN WE'RE THERE OR WHEN WE SEE IT ON TELEVISION?

JOHN JACOBS
I'VE, I'VE GOT TO FOLLOW SIR MICHAEL, REALLY. I'VE NEVER BEEN MORE NERVOUS THAN I WAS THIS EVENING.

PETER KESSLER
REALLY?

JOHN JACOBS
WELL HAVING TO, IT'S NOT AN EASY ONE TO DO BECAUSE EMOTION COMES INTO IT A WE BIT, BUT, ST. ANDREWS TO ME, I USED TO SAY MY FAVORITE GOLF COURSE WAS LINDRICK, WHERE I WAS BORN, BUT I NOW SAY ST. ANDREWS BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS A MARVELOUS GOLF COURSE. AS LONG AS

YOU PLAY TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP POSITION, FOR SECRETARY DRIVING OFF, OR EVEN I MIGHT SORT OF TOP THAT ALONG THE FLOOR, SO WHEN I SAY EVEN, I TOP IT MOST OF THE TIME NOW, BUT DON'T TELL EVERYBODY ABOUT THAT.

PETER KESSLER
WELL WHAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IS THAT YOU WERE BORN IN THE CLUBHOUSE AT LINDRICK AS OPPOSED TO SOMEWHERE NEAR BY.

SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK
YOU THINK ABOUT THE GHOST OF THE PAST WHEN YOU'RE STANDING ON THE FIRST TEE AT ST. ANDREWS, BECAUSE YOU REALIZE THAT EVERY SINGLE FAMOUS PLAYER IN THE WORLD WHO HAD DRIVEN

OFF THAT TEE AND YOU HAVE THIS GREAT ATMOSPHERE AROUND YOU, THE CLUBHOUSE BEHIND YOU AND ALL THE HOUSES DOWN THE LEFT HAND SIDE, AND IT'S VERY EERIE. IT'S LIKE PLAYING GOLF IN THE CATHEDRAL.

PETER KESSLER
IN 1984, YOU HAD YOUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO HAND THE CLARET JUG TO A WINNER AND THAT WAS SEVE BALLESTEROS, AT THE OLD COURSE. THIS PAST YEAR, YOUR LAST OPPORTUNITY AS

WE UNDERSTAND IT FOR THE MOMENT TO HAND OUT THE CLARET JUG TO TIGER WOODS, COULD YOU HAVE ASKED FOR BETTER BOOKENDS TO YOUR TIME IN THAT POSITION WITH THE R&A?

SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK
WELL THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, A DIFFERENCE THERE. AS SECRETARY YOU CARRY THE CUP OUT, THE CLARET JUG OUT AND YOU GIVE IT TO THE CAPTAIN TO HAND OVER.

PETER KESSLER
WHICH OF COURSE IS WHAT YOU JUST WERE.

PETER KESSLER
SO I'VE, I'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE UNTIL THIS YEAR AND I ALWAYS SAID THAT ONCE I BECAME CAPTAIN, I KNOW WHO I'M GOING TO HAND THE CLARET JUG OVER TO. IT'S GOING TO BE TIGER WOODS, AND THAT MADE MY YEAR, TO HAND IT OVER TO THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD, AT ST. ANDREWS.

PETER KESSLER
LAST YEAR, YOU, ACTUALLY, EARLIER THIS YEAR, YOU AND I WERE WALKING FOLLOWING TIGER AT PEBBLE BEACH AND I ASKED YOU WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS IT ABOUT HIM AND YOU SAID, THE TOTALITY OF IT ALL AND THE FACT THAT HE OUT DRIVES EVERYBODY ELSE BY 40 YARDS. WHAT WOULD YOU ADD TO THAT, JOHN?

JOHN JACOBS
I WOULD ADD THAT HE PUTTS SO WONDERFULLY AS WELL. THE TOTALITY IS EXACTLY THE RIGHT WORD. WHAT SIR MICHAEL DIDN'T TELL YOU, HE CAPTAINED A WINNING WALKER CUP TEAM AT ST. ANDREWS AS WELL. 1971. SO, HE'S HAD A FAIR AMOUNT OF SUCCESS UP THERE YOU KNOW.

PETER KESSLER
TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE RECREATIONAL PLAYERS TODAY AREN'T ANY BETTER AT GOLF THAN WHEN YOU WERE LITTLE BOYS?
WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE THAT TO?

JOHN JACOBS
WELL OF COURSE WE HEAR SO MUCH ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT THESE DAYS, WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE HELPED AT THE VERY TOP OF THE GAME, BUT LOWER DOWN I HAVEN'T SEEN EVERYBODY'S HANDICAP COMING DOWN BUT STILL, IF

GOLF HAS A DRAW BACK IT'S STILL DIFFICULT FOR MOST PEOPLE AND TAKES TOO LONG, ACTUALLY, SO THAT ANYTHING THAT MAKES IT EASIER, BUT THE, THE GREAT PLAYERS WHO DO NOTHING ELSE BUT WORK ON THEIR OWN GAME, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TO, TO MY EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, SO, YES THEY'VE

GOT BETTER BUT THE CLUB GOLFER, NO THEY STILL FIND THIS GAME PRETTY TOUGH I'M AFRAID. THAT'S TO DO WITH TECHNIQUE AS MUCH AS EQUIPMENT.

SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK
I, I SLIGHTLY DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK

PETER KESSLER
GOOD, LET'S HEAR IT.

SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK
THERE ARE FAR MORE GOLFERS NOW THAN USED TO BE AND I THINK THE RECREATIONAL PLAYERS ON A WHOLE ARE A LOT BETTER THAN THEY USED TO BE, BUT THERE ARE MORE OF THEM NOW,

AND SO YOU GET, MORE PEOPLE COMING INTO THE GAME AT THE BOTTOM END AND THE BOTTOM END OF THE PLAYERS AREN'T SO GOOD, THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO BE AS, SO GOOD, BUT I THINK THERE ARE MORE GOOD PLAYERS NOW AND THEY'RE BETTER TAUGHT THANKS TO THE PEOPLE LIKE JOHN AND THE PGA PROFESSIONALS

THAT TEACH THEM, SO I THINK THE STANDARD OF THE AVERAGE CLUB GOLFER IS ACTUALLY GOING UP, BUT THERE ARE MORE PLAYERS PLAYING AND MORE PLAYERS COMING IN AT THE BOTTOM END AND THEY'RE THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T SO GOOD.

PETER KESSLER
DEANE BEMEN WAS INDUCTED TODAY. HE WAS A WONDERFUL PLAYER.

SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK
YEAH

PETER KESSLER
MADE INCREDIBLE CONTRIBUTIONS AS AN ADMINISTRATOR AND VISIONARY TO THE GAME, TELL US ABOUT DEANE, THE PLAYER, IN HIS PRIME.

SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK
OH HE WAS THE MOST COMPETITIVE COMPETITOR I'VE EVER PLAYED AGAINST. I HAD A FUNNY EXPERIENCE, 1961, I PLAYED IN THE AMATEUR CHAMPIONSHIP AT PEBBLE BEACH. WE PLAYED THE PRACTICE ROUNDS WITH JACK AND DEANE. IN THE PRACTICE ROUNDS, THEY

BOTH PLAYED VERY WELL, BUT AFTERWARDS, JACK WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT DEANE'S PITCHING AND PUTTING AND A FEW MINUTES LATER, DEANE WAS COMPLAINING TO ME ABOUT HOW FAR JACK HIT THE BALL. THEY BOTH FELT IT WAS UNFAIR, BUT THEY BOTH PROVED TO BE VERY GREAT PLAYERS, BUT DEANE WAS A TREMENDOUS COMPETITOR.

PETER KESSLER
TELL US ABOUT NEAL COLES, A PLAYER. NEAL COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT TO, TO SHARE IN HIS INDUCTION. TELL US HOW GIFTED AND HOW GOOD A PLAYER NEAL COLES WAS.

JOHN JACOBS
I'M SO ENVIOUS OF NEAL COLES. HIS GOLF SWING HASN'T CHANGED IN THE 40, 45 YEARS THAT I'VE KNOWN HIM SINCE HE WAS A BOY. HE JUST DOES THE SAME THING, NOW, IDIOTS LIKE ME, YOU STOP PLAYING FOR A WHILE TO EARN A LIVING AND THEN YOU GO BACK TO IT AND

BEFORE YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, YOU PLAY A COUPLE AND THEN YOU'RE EXPERIMENT, I, I MUST TRY TO, AND, BUT NEAL HAS NEVER CHANGED. HE HAS THE MOST SIMPLE PICTURE OF WHAT THE GOLF SWING IS. SET THE CLUB, USE YOUR LEGS IN THE DOWNSWING, THAT'S ALL HE'S EVER DONE, AND, BUT HE, BUT HE'S

GOT A MARVELOUS TEMPERAMENT. I MEAN, TO ME, GOLF, THEY'RE GREAT GOLFERS. HERE YOU HAVE A GREAT, GREAT GOLFER, BEN HOGAN, SHALL WE SAY WAS A WONDERFUL STRIKER. NEAL IS A MARVELOUS AMALGAMATION OF THE TWO OF THOSE THINGS. A WONDERFUL

STRIKER THAT NEVER GETS TOO TANGLED UP HERE AND A GREAT TEMPERAMENT. TELL YOU NEAL' GO ON FOREVER.

PETER KESSLER
HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU THINK IT IS SIR MICHAEL THAT THE R&A AND THE USGA AS GOLF CONTINUES TO GROW AT THIS EXPONENTIAL RATE THAT THEY BE VIRTUALLY MOST OF THE TIME, ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN IT COMES TO GOLF'S KEY ISSUES?

SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND WE ARE, TO ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES, WE HAVE THIS ONE HICCUP AT THE MOMENT OVER THE, OVER THE DRIVER, BUT WE'VE HAD OTHER HICCUPS BEFORE. WE STILL HAVE A HICCUP IN THE RULES BOOK

ABOUT THE GROOVES ON THE CLUBS, BUT, WE'LL HAVE THESE SLIGHT DIFFERENCES BUT IN THE END WE'LL ALWAYS COME AROUND TO THE SAME WAY OF THINKING BECAUSE WE'RE BOTH TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT, WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE GAME OF GOLF.

PETER KESSLER
WE'VE GOT A QUESTION THAT ONE OF OUR VIEWERS SUBMITTED TODAY. I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ IT OFF THE TELEVISION MONITOR AND THAT QUESTION IS FOR THE BOTH OF YOU AND IT IS, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE FUTURE OF THE EUROPEAN TOUR? AS THE FATHER OF THE EUROPEAN TOUR, JOHN, I ASK YOU FIRST.

JOHN JACOBS
IT'S A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT IN CRISIS AT THE MOMENT. DUE, DUE I THINK TO THE RYDER CUP AND PROBABLY SOME RATHER POOR DECISIONS FROM THE EUROPEAN SIDE INVOLVING THE SAME, THE CAPTAIN OF LAST TIME INTO BEING A VICE CAPTAIN THIS TIME AND, AND

THEREFORE THERE'S A TINY LITTLE BIT OF THAT BETWEEN THE EUROPEANS AND THE BRITISH IN THE EUROPEAN TOUR, THEREFORE, IT NEEDS A FAIR AMOUNT OF DIPLOMACY FROM KENT CAULFIELD (05:53???) AGAIN TO GET THAT BACK ON TRACK, BUT I THINK THAT'S A TEMPORARY THING. I'M, I'M NERVOUS ABOUT THE RYDER CUP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ALL

THESE GOLFERS ARE WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL SPORTSMEN WHEN THEY'RE PLAYING IN THE TOURNAMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO THE RYDER CUP, THE FEAR OF LOSING HAS BECOME TOO IMPORTANT AND THEN THAT I THINK IS A FATE THING. THE THING IS I'VE TRIED TO EXPLAIN WITH CAPTAINS

AND VICE CAPTAINS AND DIFFICULT THINGS BEING DONE TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT AND THEREFORE THE FUTURE, I, THE FUTURE IS GREAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S AGAIN, THE, THE REALLY, THE SPORTING IN. INSTINCTS AS OPPOSED TO,

FORGIVE ME, TENNIS AND OTHER GAMES HAVE GONE THE WRONG WAY, BUT AT THE MOMENT, LET'S GET OUR THINGS SQUARED AWAY AGAIN WHERE BY EUROPE BECOMES EUROPE AGAIN WHICH AT THE MOMENT IS A LITTLE DEGREES SPLIT RIGHT NOW.

PETER KESSLER
OTHER THAN YOUR NERVES, TONIGHT, GIVING YOUR SPEECH AT THE CEREMONY, WHAT WAS THE MOST CURIOUS REACTION YOU HAD TO THIS PARTICULAR HONOR THAT YOU RECEIVED TODAY?

SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK
I THINK THE MOST CURIOUS REACTION WAS, WHY ME?

(PETER, SIR MICHAEL AND JOHN LAUGH)

JOHN JACOBS
I SAID (??) TO THE GOVERNORS (??) TO GET IT AT ALL.

SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK
I THINK ALL THESE

PETER KESSLER
HAND HIM HIS CREDENTIALS AS YOU LEAVE THE SET TONIGHT SO HE CAN REFRESH HIS OWN MEMORY.

JOHN JACOBS
I'VE, BUT I'VE, BUT I'M SURE MICHAEL, WE'RE AT ONE, HERE, AND THAT TO ME, THAT THIS IS, THEY'VE, THEY'VE ALL BEEN MY HEROES FOR, FOR YEARS, ROBERTO DIVICENZO, PETER THOMPSON, AND, AND THEREFORE ONE IS NEVER FELT TO BE IN THE SAME CLASS IN TERMS OF A PLAYER BUT, BUT ONE IS

FLATTERED BUT STILL FEELS CONCERN THAT ONE REALLY DOESN'T QUITE BELONG BECAUSE OF, OF NOT BEING QUITE AT THAT LEVEL, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND I'M VERY, VERY THRILLED TO BE IN IT.

PETER KESSLER
THE COMMITTEE HAS SUGGESTED THAT IT WAS NOT IN ERROR. THANK YOU SO MUCH

JOHN JACOBS
GOD BLESS YOU

PETER KESSLER
FOR TAKING THE TIME TO BE HERE, TONIGHT. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ON THE SHOW.

SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK
PETER

PETER KESSLER
GOOD LUCK AS SECRETARY.

SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK
THANK YOU

PETER KESSLER
HOPE TO SEE YOU AT THE OLD COURSE AT ST. ANDREWS.

SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK
EX-SECRETARY.

PETER KESSLER
EX, EX- SECRETARY. FORGIVE ME.

JOHN JACOBS
CAPTAIN

PETER KESSLER
CAPTAIN NOW. EXCUSE ME.

SIR MICHAEL BONALLACK
EX-SECRETARY . EX-CAPTAIN

PETER KESSLER
CALLS HIMSELF THEN AS CAPTAIN, FORGIVE ME. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH DEANE BEMAN. DON'T GO AWAY.
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