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Peter Kessler
JOHN COOK'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE SAYS HE'S 44 YEARS OLD BUT HE'S BEATING PLAYERS HALF HIS AGE AND HE STILL LOOKS AS YOUNG AS HE DID WHEN HE WON THE U.S. AMATEUR IN 1978. MEET JOHN COOK, NOW, ON GOLF TALK LIVE.
YOUR BEATLES ALBUMS AND YOUR FINE WINE COLLECTION APPRECIATE WITH AGE. THEY STAND THE TEST OF TIME. THE LONGER JOHN COOK PLAYS GOLF, THE MORE WE APPRECIATE THAT FOR A PLAYER OF HIS VINTAGE EVERY YEAR IS A VERY GOOD YEAR. EVEN THOUGH JOHN CHARACTERIZED HIS 1979 LOSS IN THE U.S. AMATEUR TO FRIEND, MARK O'MEARA AS

A DUSTING, JOHN HAD WON THE YEAR BEFORE AND WAS PREPARED TO TURN PRO. HIS LONG TERM CONSISTENCY AND ABILITY TO WIN ARE NOT LOST ON HIS PEERS ON TOUR, NOR ON THE MILLIONS OF FANS WHO STILL THINK HE'S A 20 SOMETHING.

APPRECIATE HOW LONG HE'S BEEN WINNING. AFTER WINNING HIS FIRST, THE CROSBY IN 1981, HE WON IN '83, '87, '92, '96, '97, '98 AND 2001 AND JUST BECAUSE HIS FACE SAYS HE'S AN ANGEL, JOHN TELLS YOU EXACTLY HOW HE STANDS.

HE MAY HAVE GROWN UP IN CALIFORNIA BUT HE'S NOT LAID BACK WHEN IT'S TIME TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED. AS HIS SON JASON DEVELOPED A PASSION FOR EXCELLENCE, JOHN BECAME MORE

INTERESTED IN REDISCOVERING HIS, AND HE HAS AND HE'S WINNING AND WHEN HE'S NOT, HE'S FOUND A WAY TO MAKE THE JUICES FLOW BY BEING IN OR ON THE PERIPHERY OF CONTENTION. GOLF MAY RANK FOURTH OR FIFTH ON JOHN'S PRIORITY LIST NOW, BUT HE'S ONE OF

THOSE RARE GUYS WHO KNOWS HOW TO BECOME A LEGEND IN WHAT IS NOW HIS SPARE TIME.

WELCOME TO GOLF TALK LIVE. I'M PETER KESSLER. 20 YEARS AGO WHEN HE TURNED PROFESSIONAL HE WAS GOLF'S GOLDEN BOY. HE'S STILL GOLF'S GOLDEN BOY TODAY. GREAT PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO JOHN COOK. WHAT ARE YOU GIGGLING ABOUT?

John Cook
(LAUGHS) WHERE DID YOU GET ALL THAT STUFF? YOU GET SMART GUY OR SOMETHING

Peter Kessler
PROBABLY FROM YOUR MOM AND DAD.

John Cook
(LAUGHING)

Peter Kessler
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU JUST GOT BACK FROM THE RYDER CUP A LITTLE BIT?

John Cook
ABSOLUTELY. I, LAST WEEK WAS A PHENOMENAL EXPERIENCE. IT REALLY WAS. IT WAS, WE HADN'T BEEN WITH SOME OF THE GUYS FOR YOU KNOW TEN YEARS PROBABLY. THE HALE IRWIN'S AND

THE LARRY NELSON'S AND THE ARNOLD PALMERS AND THE GARY PLAYERS AND IT WAS A NICE CAMARADERIE, SPORTSMAN LIKE ATMOSPHERE BUT ONCE THAT BALL

GOT TEED UP IN THE GROUND ON THE FIRST HOLE IT WAS THE RYDER CUP AND IT WAS COMPETITIVE AND IT, THE JUICES WERE FLOWING. AND IT, IT WAS A BLAST. IT REALLY WAS A BLAST.

Peter Kessler
THE UBS WARBURG CUP FELT LIKE THE RYDER CUP WITHOUT ANYBODY HECKLING COLIN MONTGOMERIE.

John Cook
EXACTLY. IT, IT WAS JUST THAT. IT WAS PULLING FOR WHOEVER YOU WERE PULLING FOR WITHOUT THE HECKLING OF SOMEBODY ELSE. YOU KNOW, AT THE EXPENSE OF SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT TO BE

OUT PLAYING WITH SCOTT HOCH THE FIRST DAY AND THEN PLAYING WITH MARK O'MEARA THE SECOND DAY AND THEN PLAYING THE SINGLES AGAINST JOSE MARIA CANIZARES THE THIRD DAY IT WAS, IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE.

YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T MATTER TO THE FANS ON YOU KNOW HOW OLD WE WERE OR WHAT WAS GOING ON. THE COMPETITIVENESS WAS FLOWING. THE JUICES WERE FLOWING. THERE WAS SOME

GREAT GOLF PLAYED, SOME GREAT SHOTS MADE ON A GOLF COURSE THAT IS A PERFECT MATCH PLAY GOLF COURSE. THANK GOD WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SHOOT ANY SCORES. OR POST ANY SCORES BUT

YOU KNOW WE ALL, YOU KNOW YES... YESTERDAY I THINK BETWEEN JOSE MARIA AND MYSELF WE DIDN'T MAKE A BOGIE TILL I MADE A BOGIE ON THE 14TH HOLE. SO WE HAD MADE A LOT OF BIRDIES AND I

HAVE A GREATER APPRECIATION OF WHAT THE SENIOR GUYS CAN DO. THEY CAN REALLY PLAY AND IT WAS, IT WAS GREAT TO BE PART OF IT.

Peter Kessler
WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT HOW THERE'S NO OTHER SPORT WHERE AFTER YOU PASS THAT PRIME COMPETITIVE AGE IS IT INTERESTING TO WATCH THOSE PLAYERS ANY LONGER BUT IT SURE ISN'T TRUE IN

GOLF AND IT CERTAINLY WASN'T TRUE YESTERDAY WATCHING ARNIE AND GARY AS THOUGH IT WERE 40 YEARS AGO. THE SWINGS MAY NOT BE THE SAME, THE SCORES AREN'T QUITE AS LOW BUT ALL THE REST OF THE JUICES WERE FLOWING

JUST LIKE THEY USED TO.

John Cook
NO.

NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. THE NIGHT BEFORE AT OUR TEAM DINNER ARNOLD YOU KNOW GOT UP AND SAID YOU KNOW I MIGHT BE THE LOAD OF THE TEAM AND I'M SORRY FOR HOW I'M PLAYING AND WE'RE ALL SAYING OH NO ARNOLD, HE SAYS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK I STILL HAVE

ENOUGH LEFT TO BEAT THAT LITTLE SOUTH AFRICAN AND YOU KNOW WE ALL (?), WE KIND OF GOT FIRED UP. WE THOUGHT YOU KNOW G.W. WAS GOING TO COME IN AND GIVE US ANOTHER PEP TALK BUT YOU KNOW WHEN HE WENT OUT AND HE WAS UP EARLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT

WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T IMAGINE AND TO GET TO SEE YOU KNOW THE RED UP ON THE BOARD EARLY AND STAY THERE ALL DAY WAS KIND OF AN INSPIRATION, IT REALLY WAS AND YOU KNOW AS WE WERE

ALL DOWN FOR A LITTLE WHILE YOU KNOW WE JUST KIND OF KEPT PLODDING ALONG, PLODDING ALONG AND SURE ENOUGH WE WON ENOUGH MATCHES TO WIN.

Peter Kessler
YOU KNOW ARNOLD THINKS THAT TOURNAMENT GOLF IS AS IMPORTANT TODAY AS IT WAS WHEN HE TURNED PRO IN LATE 1954. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING SPECIAL TO GET HIM FIRED UP

TO GET GOING. BUT FOR YOU, WHEN YOU GET AWAY FROM TOURNAMENTS NOW AND YOU'VE ALREADY TOLD US THAT GOLF IS NOT FIRST, SECOND OR EVEN THIRD ON YOUR LIST ANYMORE, WHEN

YOU GET HOME AND AWAY FROM TOURNAMENTS, ISN'T GOLF STILL AS MUCH FUN TO PLAY AS IT USED TO BE?

John Cook
WELL ABSOLUTELY I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY THAT WE LIVED IN AT ISLESWORTH IS A GREAT COMMUNITY WHERE GOLF IS THE BIG PART. I'VE GOT

FRIENDS THAT LIVE THERE THAT PLAY THE TOUR SO YOU JUST, IF YOU GO OUT FOR A CASUAL ROUND OF GOLF YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR REAR END BEAT IN SO YOU HAVE TO STAY COMPETITIVE.

THAT AND, WITH MY SON BEING COMPETITIVE PLAYER AND HE, AND IF HE WANTS TO GO OUT AND PLAY I GOT TO BE ON MY GAME TO YOU KNOW TO PLAY WITH HIM NOW AND THAT, IT KEEPS ME MOTIVATED, IT KEEPS ME MOTIVATED TO

TO WATCH HIM PLAY. TO SEE YOU KNOW AT THE EARLY STAGES OF WHATEVER TYPE OF CAREER HE MIGHT BE HAVING TO, TO BE PART OF THAT AND JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GO OUT

THERE AND YOU KNOW NOT GIVE IT MY, MY ALL BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE CHEATING HIM OUT OF SOMETHING. HE KEEPS ME COMPETITIVE. HE AND HIS FRIENDS KEEP ME COMPETITIVE AND MY FRIENDS THERE AT THE CLUB SURE KEEP ME COMPETITIVE.

Peter Kessler
BECAUSE THEY'RE SOME OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD.

John Cook
THEY'RE NUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD. YEAH.

Peter Kessler
WHAT DID YOUR PARENTS WHO ARE HERE WITH US IN THE STUDIO TONIGHT, SHARE WITH YOU OR DO FOR YOU IN TERMS OF GUIDANCE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO PASS ALONG TO YOUR SON JASON, NOW, SUCCESSFULLY?

John Cook
I THINK THE MAIN THING WAS SUPPORT. WHEN I COULDN'T DRIVE MY MOM KIND OF TOOK ME AROUND BECAUSE MY DAD WAS TRAVELING WITH HIS RACING AND ALL BUT MY DAD BEING AN EX-FOOTBALL COACH, BASKETBALL COACH, BASEBALL COACH WASN'T MORE OF A GOLF COACH.

HE WAS MORE OF A MOTIVATOR AND HE, HE COULD MOTIVATE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT, BUT THE THING THAT HE ALWAYS TOLD ME WAS NO MATTER WHAT SPORT YOU'RE PLAYING. WHAT, IF IT WAS

FOOTBALL, IN THE FALL, BASKETBALL IN THE WINTER, OR GOLF IN THE SPRING AND SUMMER IS YOU HAVE TO COMMIT TO IT. YOU HAVE TO MOTIVATE YOURSELF TO PRACTICE EVERYDAY, TO PRACTICE

HARDER AND PRACTICE AND YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY IN THE GAME AND TO LEARN FROM HOW YOU'RE PRACTICING AND THAT STUCK WITH ME. I PLAYED FOOTBALL FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND

THEN PLAYED BASKETBALL THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL BUT THOSE THINGS STUCK WITH ME THROUGHOUT EVERYTHING, INTO COLLEGE WAS, I WAS NEVER GOING TO YOU KNOW, KIND OF HALF EFFORT MY WAY THROUGH A PRACTICE SESSION THAT

THE GAME THEN WAS EASY BECAUSE YOU'D ALREADY DONE ALL YOUR PREPARATION AND PRACTICE AND HE WAS MORE OF A MOTIVATOR THAN ANYTHING AND I KNEW WHAT A GREAT ATHLETE HE WAS WHEN HE WAS GROWING UP AND I

WANTED TO BE THAT TYPE OF PERSON MYSELF AND I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, MY KIDS TO BE ATHLETIC AND, AND AGAIN TO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, DO IT 110% OR DON'T DO IT. YOU HAVE TO COMMIT TO IT AND YOU HAVE TO MOTIVATE YOURSELF.

Peter Kessler
WE'LL TAKE A LITTLE BREAK AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH JOHN COOK.

Peter Kessler
YOU KNOW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BEFORE THE '99 RYDER CUP, THERE WAS A PRETTY BIG FUSS ABOUT SHOULD THE PLAYERS GET PAID AND A FEW OF THE PLAYERS WERE BOLD ENOUGH TO STAND UP AND SAY LOOK THIS IS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING. TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE BEING GENERATED IN REVENUE

DURING THE RYDER CUP, WHY SHOULDN'T I GET MY SHARE? THERE WAS NO PAY FOR PLAYERS THAT WEEK BUT I DIDN'T HEAR ANY FUSS ABOUT THE PLAYERS GETTING PAID IN THE UBS WARBURG CUP.

John Cook
YEAH IT, IT YEAH I MEAN IT WAS NO SECRET THAT YOU KNOW WE GOT PAID FOR DOING WHAT WE DO. I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WE'RE PROFESSIONAL GOLFERS AND YOU KNOW IN THE RYDER CUP EVERYBODY MAKES MONEY OFF OF THE PLAYERS AND THE WHOLE THING.

I MEAN I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES, BUT, YOU KNOW THAT'S, YOU KNOW WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE GENERATING FUNDS FOR SOMETHING ELSE I MEAN YOU KNOW THE,

THE GUYS THEN GAVE THEIR SHARES TO CHARITIES OR WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO DO. WELL LAST WEEK, YOU KNOW WE ALL GOT PAID FOR DOING THAT AND IT WAS A NICE, NICE, NICE PAY DAY.

ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEONE IN YOU KNOW MY CALIBER BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN IT. YOU STILL PLAYED HARD. THE COMPETITIVENESS WAS STILL THERE. THE PEOPLE ON THE GOLF COURSE WATCHING

SURE DIDN'T CARE. AND YOU KNOW IT JUST, IT DIDN'T TAKE AWAY FROM ANYTHING. IT, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS RYDER CUP ATMOSPHERE. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. THE COMPETITIVENESS, WHEN WE TEE THE BALL UP ON THE FIRST TEE ON ANY GIVEN DAY THAT'S A COMPETITIVE ROUND

THAT'S WHAT WE DO. PAID OR NOT PAID. WE'RE GOING TO PLAY, YOU KNOW, THE SAME WAY. I WANT TO BEAT THIS GUY. I WANT TO WIN THIS TOURNAMENT. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT'S GOING, WHAT

ELSE IS GOING ON BUT IT DIDN'T TAKE AWAY FROM ANY OF THE ATMOSPHERE, ANY OF THE COMPETITIVENESS OR ANY OF THE FANS REACTION OR ANYTHING IT JUST WAS, IT WAS A PHENOMENAL EFFORT ON, ON EVERYBODY'S SIDE.

Peter Kessler
YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT WINNING AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS, WHEN YOU WON YOUR 11TH TOUR EVENT RECENTLY IN THE RENO TAHOE OPEN, WAS THE

WINNING OF THAT EVENT GENERATING THE SAME KINDS OF FEELINGS INSIDE THAT THE PREVIOUS TEN WINS GENERATED INSIDE?

John Cook
YEAH MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST BECAUSE IN MY KIND OF PLAN OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, I WAS GOING TO WIND DOWN A BIT. NEXT YEAR I WAS GOING TO PLAY PRETTY MUCH FULL TIME

AND THEN YOU KNOW PRETTY MUCH WIND DOWN AND JUST PLAY A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME. ENJOY SOME THINGS THAT I HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO ENJOY. WELL, YOU KNOW, AND I, QUITE HONESTLY I THOUGHT I COULD WIN AGAIN BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF I WAS GOING TO SO THAT WIN CAME AT A

NICE TIME. I'D PLAYED WELL ALL YEAR. HIT THE BALL WELL ALL YEAR AND JUST KIND OF ELIMINATED SOME OF THE MISTAKES I'D BEEN MAKING ALL YEAR AND ENDED UP WINNING A GOLF TOURNAMENT BUT I LEARNED EARLY ON

THAT WINNING IS A GOOD THING. THAT BEING COMPETITIVE IS GOOD. THAT'S WHAT YOU STRIVE FOR. THAT'S WHAT YOU WORK FOR. THE ULTIMATE SATISFACTION IS TO ACHIEVE THE

SUCCESS THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING FOR AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.

YOU KNOW IN SCHOOL, IN, IN BUSINESS, IN GOLF, IN SPORTS, ANYTHING, YOU KNOW TO ACHIEVE THAT ULTIMATE GOAL OF CLOSING THE DEAL OR YOU KNOW GETTING A'S OR PASSING TESTS OR DOING WHATEVER YOU CAN DO. THAT'S A GOOD FEELING AND I LEARNED THAT EARLY ON

FROM MY FOLKS. THEY, THEY MADE NO BONES ABOUT IT AND KEN VENTURI ALWAYS SAID 'WINNING IS FUN'.

Peter Kessler
THERE'S AN EXPRESSION ABOUT MATCH PLAY THAT WHEN YOU GET YOUR OPPONENT FIVE DOWN, WELL TRY TO GET HIM SIX DOWN, YOU DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR HIM YOU DON'T HAVE FEELINGS OF EMPATHY AND, AND LET'S MAKE HIS DAY A BRIGHTER ONE. WHEN YOU WATCH

JERRY KELLY IN THE RENO TAHOE OPEN, NOT PLAYING THE KIND OF GOLF DOWN THE STRETCH THAT HE HAD IN MIND FOR HIMSELF TO WIN THE TOURNAMENT, WHAT GOES ON INSIDE OF YOU? WERE THERE
CONFLICTING FEELINGS OF

John Cook
OH YEAH

Peter Kessler
TELL US

John Cook
ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW I'VE WON TOURNAMENTS ALWAYS FROM YOU KNOW IN PLAY OFFS, BURNING THE LAST HOLE TO GET IN PLAY OFFS, BURNING THE LAST HOLE TO WIN, WINNING BY TEN.

YOU KNOW DOING GOOD THINGS DOWN THE STRETCH AND THEN HAVING GUYS KIND OF SEND YOU ONE. YOU DON'T WISH THAT ON ANYBODY AND THAT'S YOU KNOW THE GOOD NATUREDNESS OF THIS GAME, HOWEVER, AGAIN, WINNING IS WHAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH AND

WHEN I GOT DONE, I FELT PRETTY GOOD ABOUT MY POSITION. I KNEW THAT I HAD A CHANCE MAYBE TO GET INTO A PLAYOFF AND I ASKED WHEN I GOT IN, HE WAS PLAYING 16 WHICH AT THE TIME WAS

VERY TRICKY SHOT AND I THOUGHT THAT IF HE KEPT HIS BALL DRY, THE BEST I COULD REALLY HOPE FOR WAS A PLAY OFF. WELL, THEN, I KIND OF GOT WORD IN THE LOCKER ROOM AS I WAS YOU KNOW JUST KIND OF CHECKING MY LOCKER AND

JUST KIND OF WALKING AROUND TRYING TO RELIEVE SOME NERVOUS ENERGY THAT WELL HE LEFT HIS FIRST CHIP, WELL HE LEFT HIS SECOND CHIP, WELL HE KIND OF LEFT HIS THIRD CHIP TOO, SO, IT KIND OF

GOT GOING. WELL, LET'S SEE, THAT MAKES ME, WELL ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW I'M AHEAD. BUT YOU FEEL BADLY BECAUSE YOU KNOW HERE'S A, HERE'S A KID THAT'S PLAYED GREAT ALL YEAR TRYING TO, TRYING TO WIN HIS FIRST TOUR EVENT AND HIS, DESERVED TO WIN

BUT DIDN'T DO QUITE THE RIGHT THINGS DOWN THE STRETCH THAT HE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE AND HE'LL LEARN THAT. THE NEXT TIME HE'S IN THAT POSITION HE'LL LEARN FROM THAT.

WE'VE ALL DONE THAT. I'VE DONE THAT. I'VE SQUANDERED LEADS WITH A COUPLE HOLES TO PLAY AND IT EATS AT YOU BUT YOU LEARN AND THAT, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN LEARN SOMETIMES IS FROM FAILURE AND THAT'S YOU KNOW, HE'LL BE, HE'LL BE BETTER FOR IT.

Peter Kessler
DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU'RE STILL AT A POINT IN YOUR LIFE THAT YOU'RE LEARNING MORE ABOUT HOW TO PLAY BETTER GOLF AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT HOW TO BE A BETTER SCORER?

John Cook
I COULD ALWAYS HAVE BEEN A BETTER SCORER. I'M NOW GETTING BACK TO THE POINT WHERE I USED TO BE ABLE TO HIT THE BALL AND THAT'S WITH CHRISTMAS, WITH CONTROL, CONSISTENCY. MY SHORT GAME HAS NEVER BEEN GREAT. IT'S BEEN

GOOD AT TIMES WHEN I NEEDED IT TO BE. MY PUTTING WAS NEVER CONSISTENT. IT WAS GOOD AT TIMES BUT NEVER YOU KNOW WHERE I NEEDED IT TO BE TO BE ON A TOP LEVEL EVERY YEAR BUT THAT'S

COME AROUND IN THE LAST I'D SAY SIX MONTHS OR SO. I'VE WORKED HARD ON THAT. SO YEAH I AM STILL LEARNING, HOW TO, YOU KNOW, BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENT IN THOSE AREAS THAT

KIND OF LET ME DOWN FOR A WHILE BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN I'M KIND OF STRESS FREE AS FAR AS I'M HITTING MY BALL AND CONTROLLING MY GOLF BALL, THAT'S HOW I RELIEVE STRESS. SOME GUYS ARE,

ARE GREAT PUTTERS AND GREAT SHORT GAME PLAYERS. BRAD FAXONS, THE LAUREN ROBERTS OF THE WORLD WHO JUST, WHEN THEY GET A PUTTER OR A WEDGE IN THEIR HANDS IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THEIR HANDS JUST KIND OF MELT ON

THE GRIP AND THEN THERE'S GUYS THAT FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GET A THREE IRON IN THEIR HANDS, THEIR HANDS KIND OF MELT ON THAT AND I ALWAYS FELT THAT I WAS A PRETTY
DECENT BALL STRIKER BUT WHEN I GOT

SOMETHING ELSE IN MY HANDS, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT. WELL I FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABOUT THAT NOW.

Peter Kessler
AND THERE'S HOPE FOR ALL OF US.

John Cook
(LAUGHS) YES THERE IS.

Peter Kessler
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

Peter Kessler
WHEN'S THE LAST TIME YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THE REALITY OF THOSE NUMBERS, JOHN? THE LAST THREE WINS, HOW FAR BACK YOU WERE? WHAT YOU SHOT AND THEN OF COURSE WINNING?

John Cook
(LAUGHING) WELL, I HAVEN'T EVER, I'VE, HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF THAT AT ALL. THE '97 HOPE WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE MARK CALCAVECCHIA HAS GOT A

THREE SHOT LEAD, SHOOTS 67 ON SUNDAY AND GETS BEAT BY A SHOT. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN YOU DO. AND DALLAS AT THE NELSON BEING THAT FAR BEHIND FRED I NEVER THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IF I PLAYED A GOOD ROUND OF GOLF I MIGHT FINISH TOP FIVE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I

STARTED STRINGING TOGETHER SOME BIRDIES AND IT WAS, THE WIND WAS BLOWING PRETTY GOOD THAT DAY AND YOU KNOW, WITH A FEW HOLES TO GO I FIND MYSELF TIED FOR THE LEAD AND I

KEPT IT DRY AT 17 AND HE ENDS UP MAKING TRIPLE, SO WHEN I'M WALKING OFF THE 18TH GREEN, WE'RE TIED AND WELL, WHEN I'M PLAYING 18 WE'RE TIED. WHEN I GET OFF THE GREEN I'VE GOT A THREE SHOT LEAD. YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING THE LAST ROUND AND YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND, YOU SAY I JUST WANT TO PLAY A GOOD SOLID ROUND OF GOLF.

LET'S FINISH THIS WEEK. I'VE HAD A GOOD WEEK. LET'S FINISH THIS STRONG AND YOU KNOW, THEN WITH NINE HOLES TO GO IF YOU'VE PLAYED A PRETTY GOOD SOLID FRONT SIDE, YOU KNOW THE GAME CHANGES.

Peter Kessler
WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT HOW QUICKLY YOU CAN GO FROM GREAT MENTAL TOUGHNESS TO INCREDIBLE MENTAL FRAGILITY. THE GREATEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD.

John Cook
RIGHT, I, I ANOTHER KEN VENTURI THING THAT I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM IS, YOU DON'T EVER FORGET HOW TO WIN. SOMETIMES YOU KIND OF FORGET HOW TO GET THERE

BUT ONCE THE LAST NINE HOLES OR THE LAST DAY, YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO WIN, ESPECIALLY WITH NINE HOLES TO GO AND IF YOU'VE WON BEFORE, YOU PRETTY MUCH HAVE A FEELING ON WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE

AND YOU YOU JUST KIND OF LET YOURSELF GO AND YOU GO PLAY. IF YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR GAME PLAN IN MID STREAM YOU DO THAT. IF YOU DON'T YOU KEEP PLODDING ALONG, TRY TO TAKE

ADVANTAGE OF YOUR OPPORTUNITIES AND TRY TO ELIMINATE THOSE MISTAKES AND YOU KNOW IF YOU GOT A GREEN LIGHT YOU GO AT IT, IF YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, PAR'S STILL GOING TO BE GOOD ON SUNDAY COMING DOWN THE STRETCH

UNLESS YOU'VE GOT A GREEN LIGHT SITUATION, SO THOSE ARE JUST THINGS THAT YOU LEARN. YOU KNOW THROUGH THE, HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF GOLF THAT I'VE PLAYED.

Peter Kessler
(LAUGHS) THERE'S A NEW GAME PLAN WHICH IS ALL OF THE TEENAGERS AND MEN AND WOMEN IN THEIR VERY EARLY 20'S FOREGOING THE COLLEGE EXPERIENCE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE HAD

PLENTY OF COMPETITIVE GOLF EXPERIENCE, AND TURNING PROFESSIONAL. TY TRYON, GREAT EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW HIM PARTICULARLY WELL. YOU WERE COACHING HIM FOR A LITTLE BIT. IF HE, NOW THAT HE'S GOTTEN

THROUGH THE SECOND STAGE OF QUALIFYING SCHOOL SUCCESSFULLY, SUPPOSE HE GETS THROUGH THE LAST STAGE AND BECOMES SUCCESSFUL ON TOUR. WILL YOU THEN CONSIDER HIM, IN

YOUR OWN HEAD, A SUCCESSFUL WELL ROUNDED PERSON IF HE'S A SUCCESSFUL TOURING PROFESSIONAL?

John Cook
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, PETER, I, I'VE, I'VE SAID THIS PUBLICLY. I'VE SAID THIS TO TY AND I'VE SAID THIS TO HIS FATHER BILL THAT YOU KNOW THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT, THAT, THAT TY IS A, IS A GOOD PLAYER AND I, IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF HE MADE IT THROUGH. I'VE NEVER DOUBTED HIS

ABILITY TO MAKE IT THROUGH. I JUST WONDER EMOTIONALLY HOW READY A 17 OR 18 YEAR OLD IS, IF THEY'RE READY EMOTIONALLY FOR THIS GRIND TO, YOU KNOW HAVE THIS WEIGHT PUT ON THEIR 17 OR 18 YEAR OLD SHOULDERS AND

HANDLE THIS FOR THE NEXT HOWEVER MANY YEARS. YOU'RE STILL GROWING. YOU STILL HAVE THINGS TO DO. YOU HAVE STILL OTHER THINGS TO ENJOY. ENJOY GROWING UP, ENJOY YOUR LIFE. THE PGA TOUR'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND THERE'S NO REAL RUSH TO DO THAT.

THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT TY TRYON IS READY TO PLAY PHYSICALLY AND PROBABLY MENTALLY. HE'S PLAYED THIS GAME A LONG TIME. EMOTIONALLY, THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I JUST CAN'T SEE SOMEBODY THAT'S TWO YEARS OLDER THAN MY SON, READY TO DO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR 20 YEARS. I, I JUST DON'T SEE IT. I WISH HIM ALL THE BEST. I DIDN'T DOUBT THAT HE WOULD GET THROUGH THE FIRST COUPLE

STAGES AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT HE'S NOT GOING TO GET THROUGH THE FINAL STAGE, BUT EMOTIONALLY READY TO PLAY? I JUST, THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION. ONLY HE KNOWS, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW,

BEING A PARENT, AND WATCHING KIDS AND WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THESE KIDS IN TENNIS WHERE YOU KNOW THEY JUST HAVE, THEY HAVE NO SOCIAL SKILLS AT ALL. THEY'RE JUST YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL THEY'VE DONE, AND THAT'S

ALL THEY'VE DONE AND THEY'VE BEEN PUSHED INTO THIS OR WHATEVER AND YOU KNOW PHYSICALLY, MENTALLY, YEAH THEY'VE GOT GREAT GAMES AND, AND, AND THEY CAN DO IT BUT JUST THE EMOTIONAL PART IS WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.

Peter Kessler
HAS YOUR SON EVER SAID TO YOU IN LIGHT OF THIS WHOLE SITUATION WITH TY TRYON, DAD IF I GOT GOOD ENOUGH WOULD YOU LET ME, OR WOULD YOU MIND IF I DECIDED TO TURN PRO?

John Cook
THAT'S NOT, IT'D NEVER COME UP I DON'T THINK. HE KNOWS WHERE I STAND AND YOU KNOW THE, THE THING IS DURING THE WEEK AT DISNEY I TOOK MY SON JASON, AND MY DAUGHTER COURTNEY AND A COUPLE OF THEIR FRIENDS TO UCF TO SEE

A CONCERT AND WE GOT TO TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW THIS IS KIND OF A COLLEGE ATMOSPHERE TYPE OF THING. THIS IS FUN. THIS IS WHAT I DID IN COLLEGE. THIS IS THE TYPE OF STUFF YOU CAN DO IN COLLEGE. IT'S, IT'S FUN STUFF.

THE TOUR'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE, IT'S GOING TO GET STRONGER AND STRONGER AS WE GO. THERE'S NO RUSH. YOU'VE GOT TO LEARN. YOU'VE GOT TO LEARN TO LIVE ON YOUR OWN . YOU GOT TO LEARN TO GROW UP. ONE THING MY, MY PARENTS DID FOR ME IS THEY LET ME GROW UP.

BEING IN CALIFORNIA, IF YOU DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR WHOLE SURROUNDINGS YOU'RE MISSING OUT ON A LOT OF STUFF, AND I JUST, I WANT YOU KNOW, MY KIDS TO LEARN THAT, TO ENJOY THAT AND THEN AFTER THEY GO THEY'RE GONE.

Peter Kessler
WHEN WE COME BACK FROM THIS LITTLE BREAK WOULD YOU MIND IF WE WANDERED OVER TO THE ACADEMY LIVE SET AND MAYBE YOU SHOW US SOME OF YOUR SWING KEY, SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'RE WORKING ON IN YOUR OLD AGE?

John Cook
LET'S DO IT. (LAUGHS)

Peter Kessler
(LAUGHS) WE'LL DO THAT IN A MINUTE.

John Cook
IT IS, IT IS 8:30 AT NIGHT.

Peter Kessler
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN BED BUT WE'LL TAKE THAT TIME.


John Cook
WELL I, I THINK THAT THE MAIN THING IS, I MEAN I LEARNED FROM KEN VENTURI. YOU KNOW I STARTED WORKING WITH HIM WHEN I WAS FOURTEEN YEARS OLD AND

YOU KNOW TO LEARN FROM ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME WHO LEARNED FROM HOGAN AND NELSON

YOU KNOW, I LEARNED THAT THE GOLF SWING AND PLAYING GOLF WERE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. THAT I WORKED ON MY GOLF SWING ON THE PRACTICE RANGE BUT WHEN I GOT ON THE GOLF COURSE

WE PLAYED GOLF. SO I KIND OF TOOK THAT AND DIDN'T GET, YOU KNOW, REAL MESSED UP IN MECHANICS UNTIL I NEEDED TO.

Peter Kessler
(LAUGHS) MESSED UP IN MECHANICS.

John Cook
YEAH , YEAH, YEAH MESSED UP IN MECHANICS. THERE'S A LOT AND I ALWAYS PRIDED MYSELF ON HOW WELL I STRUCK THE BALL. WELL IN THE LAST
COUPLE YEARS I HADN'T HIT THE BALL AS

WELL AS I HAD WANTED TO. KENNY WAS BUSY DOING HIS CBS THING AND PRESIDENT'S CUP THING AND, AND WE JUST COULDN'T GET TOGETHER A LOT SO I,

I JUST KIND OF GOT OUT OF YOU KNOW WHAT WE, I KEPT GOING BACK TO MY NOTES AND BACK TO MY NOTES BUT I JUST COULDN'T GET A GRASP ON IT AND MY SON JASON WAS WORKING WITH BRIAN MOGG A LITTLE BIT AND I LIKED WHAT BRIAN WAS, WAS SAYING BECAUSE IT WAS

EXACTLY WHAT I HAD LEARNED FOR, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY YEARS. 30 YEARS AND YOU KNOW IT, IT, IT HELPED THAT HE KIND OF GOT ME BACK INTO DOING SOME THINGS THAT I USED TO DO. MY ARMS KIND OF GOT AWAY FROM MY BODY.

I NEVER GOT MY WEIGHT TO MY RIGHT SIDE. I WAS, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE CLUB YOU KNOW DRUG ACROSS. I MEAN I COULD HIT IT STRAIGHT BUT I COULDN'T HIT IT ANYWHERE. SO, IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF I'VE BEEN WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, KEEPING A GOOD FOUNDATION.

Peter Kessler
SHOW US.

John Cook
GETTING MY HANDS, I'D GOTTEN, YOU KNOW AIMED TO THE RIGHT, GOT MY HANDS KIND OF BEHIND IT. GOT THE CLUB STARTED OUT HERE. YOU KNOW KIND OF HUNG ON MY LEFT. KIND OF GOT THIS WAY AND THEN KIND OF DRUGGED THE CLUB ACROSS AND THAT'S PRETTY UGLY. SO

Peter Kessler
(LAUGHS) THEY ALL LOOK VERY FAMILIAR TO ME.

John Cook
(LAUGHING) YEAH, I, I, I JUST COULDN'T GET ENOUGH ZIP ON THE BALL SO YOU KNOW, TO GET BACK TO WHERE I WAS BEFORE I THINK THE FIRST THING THAT WE WORKED ON REALLY WAS MY HAND

POSITION. I KIND OF GOT FROM BEHIND TO MORE ON TOP OF THE BALL TRYING TO GET MY WEIGHT, MY FOUNDATION EQUALLY BALANCED AND THEN PRETTY MUCH, PRETTY MUCH STAY IN MY FOUNDATION AND LET THE CLUB TURN

AWAY. KEEP MY ARMS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO MY BODY, NOT, NOT OUT BUT KEEP MY LEFT ARM A LITTLE BIT MORE GOING ACROSS MY CHEST. GET THE CLUB
TURNED UP A LITTLE BIT QUICKER

INSTEAD OF DRUGGED BACK THIS WAY. TRYING TO GET THE CLUB UP, GET MY SHOULDERS TURNED INSTEAD OF TILTED. GET TURNED AROUND MY BODY, STAY IN MY FOUNDATION AND THEN COMPLETE MY BACKSWING AND THEN FROM THERE

JUST KIND OF HOLD A LITTLE BIT LONGER HERE. LET MY ARMS SWING BACK DOWN AND GET THE CLUB COMING MORE FROM AN INSIDE PATH THIS WAY, YOU KNOW AND STAYING BALANCED AND JUST GO AHEAD AND CREATING SOME SPEED BUT

CREATING SPEED THE RIGHT WAY WITH MY BODY AND INSTEAD OF JUST SWIPING AT THE BALL, GETTING TURNED BEHIND THE BALL MORE, HOLDING MY POSTURE A

LITTLE BIT LONGER AND THEN JUST LET THE CLUB SQUARE UP AND THEN JUST GO AHEAD AND HIT IT.

Peter Kessler
ONE OF OUR VIEWERS WANTS TO ASK YOU A QUESTION I THINK ABOUT THE BRILLIANCE OF YOUR LONG IRON PLAY, RIGHT STEVE?

STEVE, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS (MALE):
YEAH

Peter Kessler
GO RIGHT AHEAD.

STEVE, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS (MALE):
THANK YOU PETER. AS AN AMATEUR I HAD THE PLEASURE OF PLAYING IN A GOLF TOURNAMENT WITH JOHN AND ONE OF THE THINGS I REMEMBER MOST IS IF THERE'S ANYBODY HAS THE ABILITY TO

HIT SUCH LONG IRONS SO CRISP, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT YOUR KEY WAS FOR HITTING SUCH GREAT LONG IRONS.

John Cook
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, STEVE. I THINK THAT THE MAIN THING IS THAT YOU KNOW A TWO, THREE, FOUR IRON NOT REALLY SCORING CLUBS SO I'M TRYING TO JUST PUT THE BALL ON THE GREEN OR PUT THE

BALL IN PLAY AND THE MAIN THING IS NOT TO TRY TO HELP THE BALL UP IN THE AIR. TO USE THE FLEX OF THE SHAFT OF THE CLUB AND THE LOFT OF THE CLUB.

YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU LOOK DOWN THERE WITH A TWO IRON AND A THREE IRON AND YOU SEE THERE'S NO LOFT. SO YOU INVARIABLY YOU TRY TO HELP THE BALL UP IN THE AIR, YOU KNOW BY LIFTING, YOU KNOW, LIFTING YOUR WHOLE BODY

TO TRY TO GET IT UP IN THE AIR. YOU KNOW A LOT OF TIMES THEY SAY WELL YOU LOOKED UP ON THAT. WELL YOU DIDN'T REALLY LOOK UP. YOU PRETTY MUCH PULLED YOUR BODY UP, SO WHAT

I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO DO IS TO STAY IN MY KNEE FLEX, STAY IN MY FOUNDATION AND LET THE LOFT OF THE CLUB AND THE FLEX OF THE SHAFT WORK LIKE THEY'RE

SUPPOSED TO AND NOT TRY TO HELP THE, HELP THE BALL UP IN THE AIR AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN TO SOME PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY TO, TO KIDS IS A THREE IRON OR A FOUR IRON SHOT THAT IS 15, 20 FEET

FROM THE HOLE IS A PRETTY DOG GONE GOOD SHOT THAT YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE BIRDIES WITH TWO, THREE, FOUR IRONS, YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE BALL IN PLAY AND GIVE YOURSELF A CHANCE TO MAKE A PUTT. IF YOU HIT IT CLOSE
GREAT, THAT'S A BONUS.

Peter Kessler
YOU'VE BEEN NICE ENOUGH TO WORK WITH DAVID KAMENS OF THE GOLF CHANNEL ON HIS SERIES 'PLAYING WITH
THE PROS' AND SPEAKING OF BIRDIE RUNS
LETS TAKE A LOOK AT A LITTLE EXCERPT FROM THAT PARTICULAR SESSION.

John Cook
(LAUGHS)

I GOT NOTHING TO SAY. I GOT NOTHING TO SAY. YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T EVEN FAKE THIS STUFF.

DAVID KAMENS (?), THE GOLF CHANNEL (MALE):
TELL THE FOLKS AT HOME WE HAVE PLAYED A COUPLE

John Cook
WE HAVE PLAYED FOUR OR FIVE HOLES. I'VE MADE FIVE BIRDIES. NO TWO TAKES, NO... REAL LIFE STUFF.

Peter Kessler
HERE'S A QUESTION SUBMITTED TO OUR WEBSITE FOR YOU JOHN. AS A MEMBER OF THE PGA TOUR POLICY BOARD FOR A FEW MORE DAYS, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE SENIOR PGA TOUR AND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO GIVE IT NEW LIFE? DAVID RUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

John Cook
THAT'S AVERY TIMELY QUESTION. ACTUALLY WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THAT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND ACTUALLY, NOT BEING OUT THERE I DON'T KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT IS

ACTUALLY GOING ON. ALL I CAN RELAY IS FROM WHAT CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH A NUMBER OF SENIOR TOUR PLAYERS AND, AND, AND THEY'RE LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. THEY WANT TO MAKE IT BETTER. THE THINGS THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH ARE MORE OF AN ELIGIBILITY ENTRY FOR

GUYS THAT HAVE WON PGA TOURNAMENT EVENTS THROUGH THEIR CAREER THAT WERE REALLY, CAREER MONEY WISE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ACCESS TO THE TOUR AND ANDY BEAN IS LEFT OUT AND JERRY PATE IS LEFT OUT AND BILL RODGERS IS LEFT OUT. A NUMBER OF

MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIP WINNERS ARE GOING TO BE LEFT OUT IF THEY GO SOLELY ON CAREER MONEY. THERE'S A, THERE'S A GROUP OF PLAYERS FROM THE AGES NOW OF YOU KNOW 40 SOMETHING TO 48 OR 9 THAT WHEN THEY, THEY LOST

THEIR ACCESS ON THE PGA TOUR THEY COULDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ANYTHING. WHERE THE SENIOR TOUR MONEY WAS GOING UP AND GUYS WERE, YOU KNOW, PADDING THEIR CAREER MONEY THAT WAY. PGA TOUR PLAYERS WERE PADDING THEIR CAREER MONEY

THAT WAY. THESE GUYS WERE GETTING LEFT IN THE DUST AND THEY WERE A VERY VIABLE PART OF THE PGA TOUR YOU KNOW WITH, WITH WINS AND MAJORS AND PERSONALITIES AND PEOP, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME TO WATCH THESE GUYS PLAY GOLF. THERE'S GOING TO BE A CATEGORY WHERE THEY WILL HAVE

MORE ACCESS TO THE SENIOR PGA TOUR. THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. ANOTHER THING, ALMOST TO A MAN OF TALKING TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE, SOME OF THE BIG, BIG NAMES OF THE SENIOR PGA TOUR IS THAT THEY HAVE TOO MANY TOURNAMENTS.

THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONDENSE A BIT. GET THE BIG NAMES TO PLAY A LITTLE BIT MORE. THAT WAY THE TITLE SPONSORS AND THE TOURNAMENT SPONSORS WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHO'S PLAYING EVERY WEEK IN THEIR EVENT.

36, 38 TOURNAMENTS IS A LOT OF TOURNAMENTS TO BE PLAYING YOU KNOW AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND IT JUST KIND OF GETS SATURATED. THERE'S SOME

GUYS THAT ARE PLAYING SOME PHENOMENAL GOLF AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE. WE SAW IT LAST WEEK. YOU KNOW I PLAYED JOSE MARIA CANIZARES AND YOU KNOW FOR YOU PEOPLE AT HOME THAT DON'T KNOW WHO HE IS, HE CAN PLAY.

I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW THESE GUYS CAN REALLY PLAY. BUT I THINK THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE GAME AND THE BEST INTEREST OF THE SENIOR TOUR PLAYERS IS TO GET MORE ACCESS FOR GUYS THAT

PLAYED OUR, OUR TOUR THAT, THAT CONTRIBUTED TO OUR TOUR THAT WOULD HAVE NO ACCESS EXCEPT THROUGH THE QUALIFYING SCHOOL ON, ON THAT TOUR.

BASICALLY WHEN YOU'RE 44 TO YOU KNOW 49, IF YOU HAVE NO ACCESS ON OUR TOUR YOU BASICALLY ARE FORGOT. THE PGA TOUR DOESN'T DO MUCH FOR YOU

Peter Kessler
AND YOU DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO MAKE MONEY.

John Cook
YOU HAVE NO PLACE TO MAKE MONEY, YOU HAVE NO PLACE TO REALLY PLAY, BUY.COM MAYBE AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL IDEAS OF THE BUY.COM WAS TO HAVE A PLACE FOR GUYS TO PLAY

THAT DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS, WELL, YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO PLAY A COUPLE OF EVENTS BUT THAT'S BASICALLY FOR THE GUYS THAT NEED THAT EXPERIENCE TO

GET BACK ON THE PGA TOUR. AT 45, 46 YEARS OLD YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THAT. YOU'RE LOOKING TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY. TO DO SOME

THINGS IN YOUR LIFE THAT YOU HADN'T DONE, AND TO MAYBE REFINE YOUR GAME A LITTLE BIT BUT THEN TO HAVE SOME ACCESS TO THE PGA TOUR.

Peter Kessler
WE GOT A GUY ON THE TELEPHONE WITH US RIGHT NOW WHO EARLY, WHO'S 40 SOMETHING AND WHO EARLIER THIS YEAR SET THE ALL TIME 72 HOLE SCORING

RECORD ON TOUR, WHO THIS WEEKEND ERASED HIS ONLY GOLF DEMON. DID YOU NOT MARK CALCAVECCHIA?

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
YEAH, YES I DID, PETER. HOW ABOUT THAT. HEY COOKIE.

Peter Kessler
PRETTY COOL.

John Cook
HEY CALC. HOW YOU DOING?

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
GOOD.

John Cook
HOW, HOW WAS AUGUSTA?

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
I'M JUST SITTING HERE KIND OF WATCHING YOU ON THE TUBE AND A FEW THINGS CAME TO MIND. YOU HAD TO MENTION HOW YOU SHOT A SMOOTH 63 TO KIND OF CRUISE BY ME AT THE HOPE THERE.

John Cook
(LAUGHING) I FELT, I DIDN'T FEEL BAD BUT

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
YEAH

John Cook
I MEAN IT, WHEN, WHEN MARK CAME UP TO ME WHEN I GOT, WHEN WE GOT DONE HE GOES, IT COULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED TO A, YOU KNOW, I MEAN A, NOT THAT HE WANTED TO LOSE BUT IT JUST, THE WHOLE

DAY WE PLAYED SO WELL AND IT WAS SUCH A, A BATTLE THAT, I MEAN I WALKED OFF THE GREEN, I WAS DEAD. HE WAS DEAD. WE JUST WANT THIS, LET'S JUST GET IT OVER WITH.

Peter Kessler
AND YOUR REACTION?

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN JOHN, JOHN PLAYED PHENOMENAL. I, I REMEMBER THAT ROUND LIKE IT WAS JUST LAST WEEK AND I WAS NOTICING A FEW OF HIS SWING THINGS AND OH, BY THE WAY, I
PLAYED AUGUSTA TODAY

John Cook
(LAUGHINGLY) YES

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED YOUR LONG BALL.

John Cook
(LAUGHING) YEAH I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
IT WAS GREAT THOUGH. IT, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE INTERESTING BUT WHAT, WHAT COMES TO MY MIND WHEN, WHEN I WATCHED YOU PLAY, JOHN, IS HOW, HOW GOOD YOU ARE WITH YOUR SHORT IRONS.

YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT DRIVER OF THE BALL BUT YOUR, YOUR SHORT IRON GAME IS JUST PHENOMENAL AND I SAW IT AT THE HOPE THAT DAY. DO YOU, YOU THINK YOUR SHORTER BACK SWING ON, ON SHORT IRONS IS, IS ONE OF YOUR KEYS TO BEING SO LASER-LIKE WITH THOSE CLUBS?

John Cook
I THINK SO MARK. I LEARNED, AGAIN I LEARNED EARLY ON FROM, FROM VENTURI AND YOU KNOW THOSE ARE THE SCORING CLUBS. HE, I HAD A REAL, REAL LONG SWING FOR A LONG TIME AND ONCE I GOT A LITTLE BIT OLDER, A LITTLE BIT STRONGER AS, AS MY HIGH SCHOOL YEARS WENT ON, WE STARTED TO REFINE THINGS

A LITTLE BIT AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE STARTED TO WORK ON REALLY WAS, YOU KNOW MAKING A GOOD SHOULDER TURN BUT BEING IN CONTROL OF THE CLUB AND THAT WAY YOU CAN CONTROL

YOUR DISTANCE AND CONTROL YOUR, AND WHEN YOU CAN CONTROL YOUR TRAJECTORY YOU CAN CONTROL YOUR DISTANCE AND THAT'S

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
RIGHT

John Cook
REALLY WHAT WE'VE WORKED ON FOR, FOREVER AND YOU KNOW ONCE I STARTED GETTING THE HANG OF THAT MAYBE AND YOU KNOW WHEN I WAS, FIRST COUPLE YEARS IN COLLEGE I STARTED

HITTING MY, MY SHORT IRONS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AND, YOU KNOW IT GOT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FUN.

Peter Kessler
HEY CALC, CAN YOU HANG ON FOR A MINUTE? WE HAVE TO TAKE A LITTLE STATION BREAK.

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
ABSOLUTELY.

Peter Kessler
WILL YOU STICK WITH US? WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

Peter Kessler
WE'RE JUST TAKING A LOOK AT A GRAPHIC OF AUGUSTA NATIONAL GOLF CLUB. THE CHANGES LAST YEAR. THE YARDAGE, 6,985. THE NEW YARDAGE IS 7,270 AND NINE OF

THE HOLES WERE LENGTHENED FROM A MINIMUM OF FIVE YARDS TO A MAXIMUM OF SIXTY YARDS ON NUMBER 18. CALC PLAYED THERE TODAY. MAY WE HAVE YOUR ASSESSMENT, SIR?

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
MY ASSESSMENT WAS I, I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT. I REALLY DID. IT WAS, IT WAS IN PHENOMENAL SHAPE. YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE KNOWN THEY, THEY DID ANYTHING THERE. YOU KNOW AS RECENT

AS JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO IT WAS JUST A, YOU KNOW A PILE OF DIRT BUT YOU KNOW IT'S LONG AND IT, IT, THERE'S GOING TO, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A VERY DEMANDING TOURNAMENT BUT IT, IT'S

GOING TO TAKE A COMPLETE PLAYER TO WIN THERE AND, AND THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH JUST KIND OF SCRAPING IT AROUND AND HOPE TO MAKE SOME PUTTS. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO

BE ON ALL CYLINDERS OF YOUR GAME AND I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU KNOW FOR THE MASTER CHAMPION.

Peter Kessler
YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF SCRAPE AROUND WINNERS THERE ANYWAY, DO YOU?

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
NO WE DON'T

John Cook
(LAUGHING)

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
NO THERE, THERE'S NO SCRAPE WINNERS AT AUGUSTA. THAT'S FOR SURE BUT IT, IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S GOING TO BE A FULL, FULL (?) TEE TO GREEN YOU KNOW TEST OF YOUR GAME

AND THEN NATURALLY AS ALWAYS AT AUGUSTA YOU KNOW THE GREENS ARE THE STORY BUT THIS YEAR IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE MEDIUM AND LONG IRON PLAY. THERE'S, THERE'S SOME PRETTY LENGTHY HOLES OUT THERE NOW.

Peter Kessler
JOHN, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND ASK HIM ABOUT THE WONDERFUL FEELING OF EXERCISING HIS DEMONS THIS WEEKEND?

John Cook
WELL, I, I COULD TELL YOU WHAT PETER. STAND, STANDING ON THAT 17TH TEE LAST WEEK AT KIAWA AND WE PLAYED A TEE THAT WAS MAYBE FIVE YARDS UP AND TO THE RIGHT FROM WHERE THEY PLAYED IT

IN THE RYDER CUP FROM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND EVERYDAY IT WAS, IT, IT RANGED FROM 195 YARDS TO 185 YARDS TO YESTERDAY 211 YARDS WITH THE WIND BLOWING IN, SOMETIMES OUT OF THE

RIGHT, SOMETIMES OUT OF THE LEFT AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW HORRIFYING THAT SHOT WAS JUST LAST WEEK AND TO DO WHAT CALC DID YESTERDAY AND HIT IT STIFF THERE TO KEEP HIS MATCH GOING OR TO EVEN GO AHEAD IN HIS MATCH AFTER WHAT HAPPENED TEN YEARS AGO

I, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW EXCITED WE WERE NOT ONLY FOR YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE EVENT BUT FOR CALC TO YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW THE TRUE TEST OF A CHAMPION IS TO YOU KNOW OVERCOME THAT ADVERSITY. I MEAN

SOME MAJOR STUFF AND CONQUER IT AND NOT ONLY CONQUER IT BUT JUST GO SO FAR AHEAD OF IT THAT, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S WHAT MAKES CHAMPIONS. THAT'S, CALC'S BEEN A CHAMPION FOREVER AND THAT'S WHY HE'S BEEN

SO CONSISTENT, SUCH A CONSISTENT MONEY WINNER EVERY SINGLE YEAR. HE WINS TOURNAMENTS, BUT THAT THING THAT HE DID YESTERDAY, I CAN'T TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW EXCITED WE WERE.

Peter Kessler
HE COULD TELL US HOW EXCITED HE WAS. WHAT DID YOU FEEL, WHAT DID YOU FEEL ON THE TEE BEFORE YOU PULLED THE TRIGGER BOTH INSIDE YOUR HEAD, TRYING TO SET ASIDE WHATEVER IT WAS YOU NEEDED TO AND THEN TELLING YOURSELF ABOUT THE GOLF SWING YOU NEEDED TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE?

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
WELL, YOU KNOW, I WAS PRETTY HAPPY MYSELF. I, I JUST WIPED A LAY UP SHOT INTO THE BUNKER AND BOGIED 16. I WASN'T FEELING REALLY GOOD ABOUT

THE SHOT TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN I TOOK A DEEP BREATH AND SAID, YOU KNOW, I GOT A FEELING I'M NOT GOING TO TOP IT SO IT'S GOT TO BE BETTER THAN TEN YEARS AGO.

YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS A, IT WAS A HARD THREE IRON AND I JUST REALLY TOLD MYSELF TO HIT OUT AT IT AND JUST STAY DOWN AND, YOU KNOW GIVE IT YOUR BEST, GIVE IT YOUR BEST EFFORT, AND AS

SOON AS I HIT IT IT REALLY FELT GOOD AND I LOOKED UP AND I WAS LIKE THE HAPPIEST CAMPER OF ALL TIME WHEN I SAW THAT THING SAILING RIGHT AT THE MIDDLE OF THE GREEN AND THEN I THOUGHT OH MY GOD I STIFFED IT, YOU KNOW. NOT ONLY WAS I HAPPY I DIDN'T

FAN IT IN THE WATER OR, OR DUCK HOOK IT LEFT OF THE GREEN WHEN IT WAS IN MID FLIGHT. I JUST, IT KIND OF DAWNED ON ME THAT YOU KNOW THE WHOLE THING WAS KIND OF ON A LINE AND IT
WAS GOING RIGHT AT THE FLAG AND I'M LIKE WOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS COOL.

Peter Kessler
HE SOUNDS LIKE A TYPICAL TEN HANDICAPPER

HITTING THE GREEN FOR THE FIRST TIME.

John Cook
HOW ABOUT THE, HOW ABOUT THE THOUGHTS THAT GO THROUGH PROFESSIONAL GOLFERS MINDS.

Peter Kessler
THEY'RE THE SAME ONES THAT I HAVE.

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
(UNINTELLIGIBLE) MINE TOO. I MEAN WE, WE, WE, WE, WE THINK LIKE AMATEURS A LOT OF THE TIMES BUT A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE ABLE TO OVERCOME THEM AND YOU KNOW AND, AND, AND JUST, AND PULL IT OFF BUT IT WAS A LOT OF FUN AND

AS JOHN SAID EARLIER, I MEAN THE COMPETITION, I MEAN THAT WAS JUST A GREAT EVENT AND, AND EVERYBODY WAS INTENSE AND THERE WAS PRESSURE AND EVERYBODY WAS NERVOUS, ESPECIALLY

ON THAT HOLE, AND YOU KNOW, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT JOSE MARIA CANIZARES, I HAVE A COMPLETE NEW FOUND RESPECT

FOR REALLY HOW GOOD THESE, THESE GUYS OVER 50 YEARS OF AGE ARE. THEY, THEY CAN ALL PLAY GREAT GOLF, THAT'S FOR SURE.

Peter Kessler
MARK, IT WAS SO COOL OF YOU TO CHECK IN WITH US TONIGHT. GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU. GREAT TO HEAR HOW TOUGH THE GOLF COURSE IS GOING TO BE AT THE MASTERS NEXT YEAR AND

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE HAPPY THOUGHTS YOU'LL BE THINKING ABOUT THE 17TH AT THE OCEAN COURSE.

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
ALRIGHTY, THANKS PETER.

Peter Kessler
GREAT TO BE WITH YOU.

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
LIKEWISE.

John Cook
SEE YOU CALC.

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
SEE YOU JOHN.

John Cook
ALRIGHT SEE YOU AT KAPALUA.

MARK CALCAVECCHIA, TOUR PLAYER ON PHONE (MALE):
YOU GOT IT.

Peter Kessler
TAKE GOOD CARE. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK EVERYBODY.

Peter Kessler
HOW ABOUT THIS COOKIE? WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE 17TH HOLE AT KIAWA. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT YOU AT THE TPC

AT SAWGRASS.

John Cook
(LAUGHING) DON'T THROW THIS ON ME.

Peter Kessler
54 TIMES HE'S PLAYED THE HOLE. NEVER HIT IT IN THE WATER. NINE BIRDIES, FIVE BOGIES, FORTY PARS AND AN UNDER PAR STROKE AVERAGE.

John Cook
THIS IS THE KISS OF DEATH RIGHT HERE. I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ACKNOWLEDGING THIS.

Peter Kessler
YOU ARE SO SUCH HISTORY FOR NEXT TIME

YOU HAVE NO CHANCE.

John Cook
I, I'M NOT, I DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

Peter Kessler
I REMEMBER WHEN GARY PLAYER WROTE AN ARTICLE ONCE SAYING THAT HE HADN'T HIT IT INTO THE POND LEFT OF THE 11TH GREEN AT AUGUSTA NATIONAL, FOR 14 STRAIGHT APPEARANCES TIMES FOUR ROUNDS

John Cook
RIGHT

Peter Kessler
AND THEN OF COURSE THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS RIGHT AFTER HE WROTE THAT ARTICLE

John Cook
YEAH, I, I DIDN'T EVEN SEE THAT

Peter Kessler
WE WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT ANY MORE.

John Cook
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T EVEN SEE THAT.

Peter Kessler
SO I RUN INTO ONE OF YOUR PEERS RECENTLY WHO SAID WHO DO I THINK AMONG THE TOUR PLAYERS AND THE PUBLIC IS THE MOST UNDER RATED PLAYER ON THE PGA TOUR? AND I NAMED TWO OR THREE NAMES AND HE SAID WRONG, WRONG AND WRONG. HE SAID

THE MOST UNDER RATED PLAYER ON OUR TOUR IS TIGER WOODS. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?

John Cook
(LAUGHS) I DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW GOOD TIGER WOODS IS. I SEE IT A LOT. I, YOU KNOW, GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY WITH HIM. I MEAN HE JUST DOES STUFF LIKE THIS. I MEAN THAT'S LIKE ON CALL.

Peter Kessler
THAT'S A GOOD ON CALL.

John Cook
THE WAY, THE WAY HE, THE WAY HE GOES ABOUT HIS BUSINESS, ON THE COURSE, OFF THE COURSE, AT HOME, HE'S MOTIVATED. HE IS I THINK, YOU KNOW, TIME WILL ONLY TELL HOW GREAT HE WILL BE AND

WHETHER HE WILL BE THE GREATEST PLAYER EVER BUT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW GOOD HE IS. HE JUST DOESN'T MISS SHOTS. HE MIGHT MAKE A SWING HERE OR THERE BUT IT'S NEVER

LIKE A LITTLE SKANKY LITTLE THREE IRON LIKE I CAN HIT OR LIKE ALL OF US CAN HIT, I MEAN HIS BALLS GET UP IN THE AIR AND THEY'RE RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE FACE. THEY MIGHT BE A LITTLE

RIGHT OR A LITTLE BIT LEFT BUT MOST OF THE TIME THEY ARE RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE FACE AND UNDER RATED, YEAH, TIME WILL TELL HOW GREAT THIS, THIS, THIS KID'S GOING TO BE. THIS YEAR HE

ENJOYED SOME THINGS THAT HE HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO ENJOY AND HE STILL BEAT OUR BRAINS IN AND I KNOW THAT HE'S MOTIVATED AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF, A LOT MORE GOOD STUFF FROM TIGER WOODS.

Peter Kessler
HOW DO YOU THINK, WITHOUT REVEALING ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, HE LOOKS AT THE YEAR HE JUST HAD ON A ONE TO TEN SCALE.

FIVE WINS INCLUDING A MAJOR, PLAYER OF THE YEAR, THE VARDON TROPHY. THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT HE DIDN'T WIN, DO YOU THINK HE WAS SATISFIED?

John Cook
PROBABLY NOT QUITE. I KNOW THAT HE WASN'T REAL COMFORTABLE WITH YOU KNOW SOME OF THE, THE SWINGS HE MADE AT CERTAIN TIMES AND HOW HE DEFENDED SOME OF HIS CHAMPIONSHIPS

WEREN'T YOU KNOW QUITE UP TO HIS CALIBER BUT LIKE I SAID, HE DID ENJOY SOME OTHER THINGS IN LIFE. HE'S LEARNING THAT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS IN LIFE AND HE'S HAPPY WITH

THAT AND I KNOW THAT HE'S GOING TO
PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS OFF SEASON AND COME OUT SMOKING AGAIN NEXT AGAIN YEAR.

Peter Kessler
CAN WE EXPECT THE SAME FROM YOU? VERY BRIEFLY.

John Cook
I, I'M MOTIVATED AGAIN (LAUGHS) HAVEN'T BEEN THAT WAY IN A WHILE.

Peter Kessler
IT'S GREAT TO HEAR IT AND GREAT TO SEE YOU, CONGRATULATIONS ON ANOTHER GREAT YEAR AND FOR SPENDING AN HOUR WITH US.

John Cook
OH MY PLEASURE, PETER.

Peter Kessler
GREAT TO

John Cook
GOES TOO QUICKLY.

Peter Kessler
HAPPY HEALTHY HOLIDAYS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

John Cook
YOU AS WELL.

THANK YOU

Peter Kessler
AND THANKS TO MOM AND DAD FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE.

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