Architecture week: reversible routing at Forest Dunes
Matt Ginella reports on Tom Doak's reversible routing design at Forest Dunes.
How and why? Reversible course at Forest Dunes
Matt Ginella explores the course architecture that created a reversible course at Forest Dunes. Watch Morning Drive on Golf Channel.
Shackelford: Doak's Forest Dunes concept 'phenomenal'
Geoff Shackelford joins Matt Ginella to explain his thoughts on a two-direction course design by Tom Doak at Forest Dunes. Watch Morning Drive 7AM ET.
Doak's Forest Dunes: A two-direction course
Tom Doak explains the ways in which his new course at Forest Dunes can be played to Matt Ginella. Watch Morning Drive 7AM ET.
Doak on Pinehurst No. 2 and Streamsong
Matt Ginella is joined by Tom Doak to talk about several courses he's designed, including Pinehurst No. 2 and Streamsong. Watch Morning Drive 7AM ET.that's nice. I mean, you know- There's so much strategy to that golf course , where you really wanna be way out wide at one side of the fairway or the other to get an angle at the hole, and that's what they've lost. They just narrowed it up kinda haphazardly in the middle where you couldn't get those angles anymore. You came out with another version of the Confidential Guide. In it you ranked. Or rated a golf course , the Castle Course, built by David Clay Kidd, who built Bannon Dunes, right before he built- Mm-hm. Pacific Dunes. And you gavethat way at all. You know, that doesn't mean it's the worst golf course in there, but they spent a lot of money trying to do something pretty wild, and it didn't come off to me. now- You know, there's 288 golf courses in that book. There's one zero. It's the only one that anybody asks me about. Nobody asks me about the six I gave to Machrihanish Dunes, David's other project. Which, which got a lot of flak from people when it opened. And, you know, I thought was a really good golf course . People focus on the ones I give. Give a bad rating to. But, you know, I can't do that book if Iplaces. So, you know, but that's. That's an ongoing battle for any golf course architect that wants to put contour in greens, because we don't ultimately control the maintenance of the golf courses. And because most
Golfing World: Course designer Tom Doak
We sit down with one of the world’s finest course designers, Tom Doak, as he embarks on his latest exciting project.Doak is one of the most successful in a new generation of golf course designers, boasting four courses in the top 100 in the world. He learned a lot about his craft under the tutelage of the late, legendary Pete Dye . But has also been heavily influenced by Alister MacKenzie, who designed Royal Melbourne among other famous courses. His own philosophy is described as minimalist. And when we caught up with him on a project in France, he told us what he learned about design from spending time studying the great Scottish links. I had a scholarship right after I got out of college at Cornell to spend a year in the UK and Ireland, traveling around and. Learning about golf course architecture. Our department had a scholarship specially for someone who couldn't really study exactly what they wanted to study in college, cuz they pride themselves on being able to study anything you want. And I made the case that every, you know, most of the famous golf course architects have either been born and raised in Scotland or England or had spent considerable time there. And I had some great letters of recommendation, basically I had letters of recommendation from Pete Dye , and Ben Crenshaw , and Dean Beanmen and just everybody in golf. I was still surprised that they gave me the award. So when I got over, I caddied in St. Andrews for a couple of months. I was actually supposed to work on the grounds crew at St. Andrews, it was a recession and they couldn't, you know, it's a town golf course . They couldn't not hire somebody from town, but I spent a lot of time with Walter Woods who was the green keeper there for 20 years. And he taught me a ton about what you would call sustainability now. They didn't really have a name for it then but. You know, Walter was pulling kelp off the beach in, off the harbor in Saint Andrews . Putting it out by his sheds to dry, mixing it with sand, and making his own fertilizer. You know, he did that
Golfing World course report: Saint Emilion
Golfing World visits Saint Emilion, where the Mourgue D'algue family along with Tom Doak are set to build a stunning new course.D'algue are building a new course with the help of world renowned golf course designer John Doake. Just around six months away from completion we went to take a look at why the course will be so special. Well I think it's going to be a special golf course because it's a family project. We found this specific plan about ten years ago. And we just fell in love with it, and we got the to to work with Tom Doak, which is always a wonderful architect, and that's why we're going to do our best to really, make this this piece of land a, a very good golf course . Why we sort of had to choose, was the philosophy on the course. You know that, it takes for private when weand, and, but we're really trying to make a, a really good golf course here. The old farmhouses and the surrounding land will be transformed into a clubhouse with a brand new restaurant and houses for the lucky few able to live at theAnd in fact, if you take away the, the flags and the tee boxes , you already see that it's a golf course . And that's what is so wonderful about his architecture. We've moved very little dirt to build the golf course . My style of architecture really focuses on the sculptural things, the greens and bunkers. You know, and, and tries to leave the contours of the, the, the larger piece of land alone. I mean, that's a way mo, more efficient way of building a golf course . You, you know, a two foot change and what, what's happening on a green. Is a a dramatic thing. That's something that can impact whether you wanna play to the left side of the fairway or the right. And if you can do that, then you don't have to move dirt from the fairway so much to make the golf course interesting. I think think it would be pure golf where you can play fast where you have white fairways, where you can
Doak's thoughts: Course designer answers viewer questions
Matt Ginella is joined by course designer Tom Doak to answer viewer's questions about his work. Watch Morning Drive Everyday 7AM ET.the ring. You know, we've gotten into work at some great old golf courses , probably the one I feel the proudest of is Yeamans Hall in Charleston, the great old Seth Raynor course. And, you know,know, the housing business is dead but people that wanna build great golf courses are still out there and there's a smaller list of candidates for those jobs and I'm lucky to be one of them.year which, you know, I talked about home games, I've lived in Traverse City for like 20 plus years, and this is the first time in 20 years I've worked within 200 miles at home. -I love Black Forest by the way; it's one of my favorite covered courses in the country, and that was one of your first. -Yes. -What about Confidential Guide, is there gonna be a second edition to that? -There is and it's, you know, it's gonna be drawn out. You know, I've seen so many more golf courses now that I really can't fit it in all in one book without it being one of those books so big that you never pick it up. So, I'm gonna break it down into volumes and the first volume will be about the golf courses in the UK; Britain and Ireland. -Oh wow. -And I hope to have that one ready by next summer. -Great. And lastly,
Urbina's insight: Discussing architects Doak, Crenshaw, Hanse
Jim Urbina discuss Ben Crenshaw, Tom Doak, and Gil Hanse course designs. Watch Morning Drive everyday 7AM ET.AP this week. -Uh-huh. -Tom Doak. -Every time I look at his golf courses , I realized from the beginning that he understood that finding the right piece of land was 75 percent of the battle. YouBill talks, I listen. And I go out and I walk the golf courses with him, and I've learned never to ask Bill what's the yardage and what's the par. It's amazing. He never doesn't-- he doesn't think about that stuff. And so, when I hang out with Bill and I'd look at his golf courses , I seek them out all over the place. I understand that craftsmanship and doing the hands and little detail work that he does, he does this all-- he does all of his own greens. I mean, that's craftsmanship. -How about Gil Hanse? -I think Gil and Jim are on top of the game right now. I've seeked out a few of their golf courses not a lot lately. But Gil is the detail guy. I pride myself in detail work that we've done at Pacific Dunes, Old Macdonald, Sebonack in Southampton, New York. It's the detail work. And Gil and Jim Wagner and they've proven it over and over and over that they spend the time necessary to create those features. -The Grand Poobah, Pete Dye . -The iconic of all-- of all architecture where I started and learned the game and how to design and build golf courses . I've said many of times that I thought that the TPC at Sawgrass was the iconic golf course of modern times. And you know, Greg and Rees Jones and a lot of these architects have looked at what Pete's done and Tom Doak, Bill Coore, they've all seen his creativity. And I was lucky to be a part of that and being around Pete and learning his nuances, it really made all the difference in the world in my life. -You said at dinner that Pete Dye really sort of changed architecture, the direction of architecture, not once but twice. -Yeah. -Can you get into that a little bit?way more advanced than-- in the thought process of designing and building golf courses than anybody else at that time. -And to tell you-- to keep going along the lines of breaking down architects and their styles and philosophies, what do you think of Tom Fazio? -I thought, well, I can-- I can-- I'll be honest with you. When I first got into the business, I didn't know who any of these guys were. I didn't even know who Pete Dye was, you know. "You're gonna work for Pete Dye ." Who's Pete Dye ? I don't care. But I started to realize they all had a style of architecture. And I started to seek out some of the best of what they had all done. And when I saw Wade Hampton in Cashiers, North Carolina, a golf course that Fazio had done, Tom Fazio, I thought this place is beautiful, beautiful. And so, I started to seek out other golf courses that he had done. Shadow Creek being another. They were just beautiful golf courses that were laid out for everybody to enjoy. And it was so much different than what Pete had done and what Bill
Golf Central: Course Renovations in Medinah
Tom Doak talks to Golf Central about the renovations he is making to course 1 at Medinah Country Club. Watch Golf Central 6PM ET.-Thanks [unk]. If you turned into Golf Channel's Morning Drive last week, you saw a number of the game's best course designers explain what goes into making a true classic Tom Doak. No stranger to golf course architecture. He was taught by Pete Dye and has had a big part in crafting some of the best rated golf courses in the world. This fall, Doak debut his redesigned the Medinah Course number one and explained some of the obstacles he hadfacility with three signature architects on a different architect designing eight different golf courses on that facility will give Medinah an opportunity that I think is gonna be hard to match around the country. -You know, there's certainly a lot of golf courses in the states. Both older golf courses that weren't that great and, you know, and maybe some newer courses that were really slapped together when somebody was building 25 golf courses a year in the bloom, that they're gonna be reworked now and, you know, some of the really good pieces of property
Love at first sight: Doak's passion for course design
Tom Doak discusses how he started in Course Design. Watch Morning Drive Everyday 7AM ET.with a young Tom Doak, and you first introduction to golf and golf courses . -The first time I played golf was going to Hilton Head with my family when I was 9 or 10 years old. And Sea Pines Plantation was theyou know, the first week I was just a laborer on a construction crew but like the first week I was there, you know, feed me that I was interested in becoming an architect. I've been writing a letter for 3 years trying to get a chance to work on a construction crew and he said, "You know, I try to build golf courses by drawing plans, you know, back when I started," and he said, "They just never came out the way I wanted it to. You know, I figured the only way I could get the golf course to really come out the way I want it to is to post out here in the construction site and spend a lot of time on it." And, you know, that's the way I've approached everything ever since. But my style of architecture, you know, you wouldn't know I worked for Pete Dye from looking at one of my golf courses , and that's, you know, that's partly out of respect for Pete and, you know, not wanting to copy him and wanted to do different things, so I reached back at all these great courses I'd seen traveling around as a student and, you know, trying to learn what made the best golf courses the best golf courses . And, yes, I probably gravitated toward MacKenzie's work more than anybody else's partly because I had a chance to play Cypress Pointwork on one of the greens there. -Amazing that you talk about Pete Dye's influence on how you work and MacKenzie's philosophy on golf courses , and yet what you just described sort of how you went to Scotland, you took a pilgrimage to the spiritual land of