Golf Talk Live - Byron Nelson Transcript Segment 1
JAN. 26, 2001
BYRON NELSON IS THE FATHER OF THE MODERN SWING. HE WAS THE FIRST PLAYER TO FIND THE IDEAL SWING WITH WHICH TO PLAY STEEL SHAFTED CLUBS. IT'S A SWING THAT OTHER PLAYERS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO COPY THE ESSENTIAL FEATURES OF SINCE THE MID 1930'S.
MEET BYRON NELSON, NOW, ON GOLF TALK LIVE.
BYRON NELSON WAS THE FIRST PLAYER TO WORK OUT A SWING IN THE EARLY 1930'S THAT MAXIMIZED THE EFFECTIVENESS AND POTENTIAL OF THE NEWLY INTRODUCED STEEL SHAFTED CLUBS. MORE UPRIGHT. LESS AROUND. LESS
HANDSY. MORE ONE PIECE. WITH ACTIVE FEET AND LEGS AND A LATERAL MOVE THROUGH THE BALL WITH THE CLUB AND HANDS AHEAD AND HIS HEAD BACK. HE TURNED PRO FOR A $5 ENTRY FEE AND
WON $75 FOR FINISHING THIRD IN HIS FIRST EVENT IN 1932. AS A PLAYING ASSISTANT IN 1935 AT RIDGEWOOD COUNTRY CLUB IN NEW JERSEY, HE WON THE NEW JERSEY OPEN AND THE NEW JERSEY PGA AND THE
METROPOLITAN OPEN AT QUAKER RIDGE, HIS FIRST IMPORTANT VICTORY. AND HE BEGAN TO BEAT THE PLAYERS HE WOULD CONTINUE TO BEAT UNTIL HE RETIRED IN 1946 AT THE AGE OF 34. PLAYERS LIKE,
CRAIG WOOD, PAUL RUNYAN, HARRY COOPER, DENNY SCHUTE, HENRY PICKARD, SAM SNEAD, BEN HOGAN, JUG MCSPADEN, JOHNNY BULLA, RALPH GOUDAL.
HE WON THE MASTERS IN 1937 AND 1942.
THE U.S. OPEN IN 1939.
THE PGA CHAMPIONSHIP IN 1940 AND 1945. HIS 18 WIN, 11 IN A ROW SEASON IN 1945 WAS SET UP BY HIS GREAT YEAR IN 1944 WHEN HE WON SIX TIMES WITH A SCORING AVERAGE OF 69.67. HE HIT IT SO PURE, SO OFTEN, SO CONSISTENTLY, THAT HE OCCASIONALLY BECAME BORED.
HE DETERMINED AFTER THE '44 SEASON THAT HE WOULD WORK ON HIS CHIPPING AND REDUCE CARELESS SHOTS IN 1945. HE WON MONEY IN 113 CONSECUTIVE EVENTS AT A TIME WHEN ONLY 15 OR 20 PLACES EARNED MONEY. HE SET A SINGLE SEASON
SCORING RECORD OF 68.33 IN 1945 WHICH STOOD UNTIL TIGER BROKE IT IN 2000. HE PASSED ON HIS KNOWLEDGE TO PLAYERS FROM KEN VENTURI TO TOM WATSON
AND TODAY AT 88, WHEN HE SEES A PLAYER ON TELEVISION LIKE JUSTIN LEONARD, WITH THE WAGGLE THAT BYRON DEEMS TOO HANDSY, HE PICKS UP THE PHONE, ASKS TO SEE JUSTIN AND MAKES THE SEVERAL HOUR DRIVE TO DEMONSTRATE HOW IT'S DONE. JUST LIKE HE'S BEEN DOING SINCE 1932.
WELCOME TO GOLF TALK LIVE. I'M PETER KESSLER. GREAT PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO ONE OF THE FINEST PLAYERS, ONE OF THE FINEST PEOPLE TO EVER PLAY THE GAME, BYRON NELSON. AN HONOR TO SEE YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PETER. I LOVE TO BE HERE AND TO ENJOY BEING ON THE... TELLY WITH YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR. PRE-MATURE HAPPY BIRTHDAY, IF I MIGHT.
WELL THANK YOU. I HOPE THE GOOD LORD WILL LET ME LIVE TILL NEXT WEEK FOR IT.
YOU'RE THE ONLY GUY I KNOW, WHO'S BEEN RETIRED FOR 55 YEARS. YOU RETIRED AT AGE 34, HOW'S THE RETIREMENT GOING?
WELL THAT'S STILL GOING THANK GOODNESS. (LAUGHS). BUT IT'S GOING BUSY, I STAY VERY BUSY AND I STILL AM VERY ACTIVE IN GOLF. I DON'T PLAY VERY MUCH GOLF, VERY SELDOM BUT I MAKE ABOUT 8 OR 9 APPEARANCES TO A TOURNAMENT OR THE RYDER CUP OR A
PRESIDENT'S CUP OR THE PLAYER'S CHAMPIONSHIP OR A SENIOR TOURNAMENT EACH YEAR AND SO I STILL STAY VERY CLOSE TO GOLF AND THE, ONE OF THE NICE THINGS IS THAT THE PLAYERS, BECAUSE I'M AN OLD SENIOR OUT THERE WALKING AROUND AND
LOOKING AND WATCHING THEM, WHY THEY DO APPRECIATE ME BEING OUT THERE.
EVERY TIME SOMEONE HAS, AND IT'S ONLY HAPPENED A FEW TIMES IN THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS, A YEAR TO REMEMBER FOREVER ON THE GOLF COURSE, IT ALWAYS EVOKES COMPARISONS WITH YOU AND I'M
WONDERING BETWEEN JONES' 1930
YOUR 1945, HOGAN'S '53 AND TIGER'S 2000. HOW DO YOU RANK THEM?
WELL I KIND OF RANK THEM IN THE WAY THAT YOU JUST STARTED BECAUSE ACTUALLY, SEE, JONES' HAS BEEN KIND OF PLAYED DOWN, HIS GRAND SLAM, IN 1930 AND THE REASON FOR IT WAS, SEE, PEOPLE NOW FEEL THAT AMATEURS DON'T PLAY LIKE THE PROFESSIONALS BUT SEE
THERE WAS SO LITTLE MONEY IN GOLF IN THOSE DAYS THAT THE FINE AMATEURS STAYED AMATEURS BECAUSE THEY WENT INTO BUSINESS AND MADE A LIVING IN A BUSINESS AND SO THE, THE TOP AMATEURS IN THOSE DAYS, YOU TAKE JONES, WAMETT (??06:38), CHICK EVANS, THOSE THREE PLAYERS TO MENTION, NOT MENTION MANY MORE, PLAYED WONDERFULLY WELL
AND BEAT THE PROS BUT, AND NOW THEN THE PROS HAVE SOME... IT'S A COMPLETE DIFFERENT GAME. THE YOUNG KID NOW SEES THAT TIGER WOODS OR WHOEVER WINS A THOUSAND DOLLARS OR TEN, A MILLION DOLLARS OR 400 THOUSAND, THEY WANT TO START
PLAYING GOLF. THEY SEE THEM, PLAYING A LITTLE BIT, WELL NOW THEN THEY WANT TO GO OUT AND PLAY AND THEY, THEY CAN PICTURE THEMSELVES TRYING TO BEAT TIGER WOOD OR, OR BEATING DAVID DUVAL OR TOM LAYMAN OR ALL
THESE FINE PLAYERS, THINKING TO, HOW MUCH FUN JUST TO PLAY GOLF AND TO MAKE THAT MONEY. WELL IT WASN'T SO IN THOSE DAYS. THEY PLAYED GOLF, YOU PLAYED GOLF THEN FOR FUN ALMOST.
HOW QUICKLY, AFTER STEEL SHAFTS WERE INTRODUCED, DID THEY REALLY CATCH ON IN THE VERY EARLY 1930'S?
(LAUGHS) WELL IT'S A FUNNY THING. WHEN THEY FIRST CAME OUT, THE UH, I WAS AMAZED BECAUSE I LIKED THEM RIGHT AWAY, AND, OF COURSE I'D STARTED PLAYING WITH THE HICKORY
SHAFT AND NATURALLY I PLAYED THE ROLLING THE, PRONATION OF THE OLD (???UNINTELLIGIBLE) WHICH
YOU HAD TO DO TO USE THE HICKORY SHAFT AND THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT GOLF PLAYED THAT WAY, BUT I LOVED THEM RIGHT AWAY, BUT IT'S A FUNNY THING,
MANY, MANY PEOPLE SAID IT'LL NEVER CATCH ON. IT'LL NEVER REPLACE STEEL.
WHAT DID IT SAY ABOUT GENE SARAZON THAT HE COULD WIN MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIPS IN THE 20'S WITH HICKORY AND WIN MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIPS IN THE 30'S WITH STEEL, ABOUT HIS ADAPTABILITY, ABOUT HIS ABILITY TO PLAY NO MATTER WHAT?
WELL, THE SARAZON HAD AN UNUSUAL ATTITUDE ABOUT THE GAME. HE WAS ALWAYS VERY VOCAL ABOUT IT AND SOMETIMES VERY CRITICAL OF THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON, AND, BUT GENE HAD A TYPE OF SWING THAT WOULD WIN REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE WAS USING, BECAUSE HIS SWING, YOU KNOW, I, I
STARTED SEEING GENE PLAY, AND THEN I STARTED PLAYING WITH GENE IN THE MID, MID LATE 30'S AND I PLAYED GENE TWICE IN THE PGA CHAMPIONSHIP WHEN HE WAS STILL PLAYING GREAT AND I WAS FORCED INTO (??) ON HIM BOTH TIMES, AND UH, SO HIS SWING WAS SO REPEATABLE, HE
DIDN'T HAVE ANY FALSE MOTIONS IN IT. HE WAS FAIRLY SHORT AND STALKY AND HE'D, HE'D JUST TURNED TO COME BACK AND HIT IT AND HE SET THE CLUB EXACTLY IN THE SAME POSITION. NATURALLY WHEN HE USING A HICKORY HE'D PRONATE A LITTLE BIT, WELL HE
QUIT PRONATING WHEN THE, WHEN THE STEEL CAME OUT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T, AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING HE HAD CHANGED. HE STARTED TAKING IT AWAY THIS WAY INSTEAD OF OPENING THE FACE
OF THE CLUB AND CLOSE IT BACK BECAUSE OF THE TORQUE IN THE WOODEN SHAFT, SO THAT'S WHY HIS GAME, HE COULD, GENE SARAZON COULD HAVE PLAYED WITH A SHINNY STICK.
NOW I'M TELLING YOU. HE WAS SO GOOD. I, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING BECAUSE GENE AND I, YOU KNOW, FOR A LONG TIME, GENE AND I AND SNEAD PLAYED NINE HOLES AT THE MASTERS STARTING THE TOURNAMENT AND THEN WE GOT TOO OLD TO PLAY THE NINE SO WE STARTED HITTING BALLS OFF THE FIRST TEE.
I DON'T, AND I PLAYED GENE TWICE IN THE PGA CHAMPIONSHIP, ONE IN 1941 AND AGAIN IN 1945 AND I NEVER SAW HIM HIT A, I DON'T SAY HE HIT EVERY SHOT PERFECT AND I DON'T MEAN THAT, BUT I NEVER SAW HIM HIT A SHOT LIKE YOU SEE SOME PLAYERS NOW KNOCKING OFF THE WOODS HERE
AND KNOCK IT OFF HERE. NOW HE MISSED SOME SHOTS. THEY VARIED SOME, BUT HE WAS
(MAKES SOUND WITH HIS MOUTH, 4 TIMES, REPRESENTING THE SOUND OF A GOLF CLUB SWINGING)
YOU, YOU KNEW YOU WAS GOING TO PLAY GOOD TO BEAT HIM BECAUSE HE DIDN'T MAKE MANY MISTAKES.
THAT'S WHAT HE SAID ABOUT YOU.
WELL, OF COURSE, COURSE I BEAT HIM TWICE.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH BYRON NELSON.
Putting prepared Park's path back to No. 1
Inbee Park brings more than her unshakably tranquil demeanor back to the top of the Rolex Women’s World Rankings this week.
She brings more than her Olympic gold medal and seven major championships to the Mediheal Championship on the outskirts of San Francisco.
She brings a jarring combination of gentleness and ruthlessness back to the top of the rankings.
Park may look as if she could play the role of Mother Teresa on some goodwill tour, but that isn’t what her opponents see when she’s wielding her Odyssey White Hot 2-Ball mallet.
She’s like Mother Teresa with Lizzy Borden’s axe.
When Park gets on one of her rolls with the putter, she scares the hell out of the rest of the tour.
At her best, Park is the most intimidating player in women’s golf today.
“Inbee makes more 20- and 30-footers on a regular basis than anyone I know,” seven-time major championship winner Karrie Webb said.
All those long putts Park can hole give her an aura more formidable than any power player in the women’s game.
“A good putter is more intimidating than someone who knocks it out there 280 yards,” Webb said “Even if Inbee misses a green, you know she can hole a putt from anywhere. It puts more pressure on your putter knowing you’re playing with someone who is probably going to make them all.”
Park, by the way, said Webb and Ai Miyazato were huge influences on her putting. She studied them when she was coming up on tour.
Webb, though, believes there’s something internal separating Park. It isn’t just Park’s ability to hole putts that makes her so intimidating. It’s the way she carries herself on the greens.
“She never gets ruffled,” Webb said. “She says she gets nervous, but you never see a change in her. If you’re going toe to toe with her, that’s what is intimidating. Even if you’re rolling in putts on top of her, it doesn’t seem to bother her. She’s definitely a player you have to try not to pay attention to when you’re paired with her, because you can get caught up in that.”
Park has led the LPGA in putts per greens in regulation five of the last 10 years.
Brad Beecher has been on Park’s bag for more than a decade, back before she won her first major, the 2008 U.S. Women’s Open. He has witnessed the effect Park can have on players when she starts rolling in one long putt after another.
“You have those times when she’ll hole a couple long putts early, and you just know, it’s going to be one of those days,” Beecher said. “Players look at me like, `Does she ever miss?’ or `How am I going to beat this?’ You see players in awe of it sometimes.”
Park, 29, won in her second start of 2018, after taking seven months off with a back injury. In six starts this year, she has a victory, two ties for second-place and a tie for third. She ended Shanshan Feng’s 23-week run at No. 1 with a tie for second at the Hugel-JTBC LA Open last weekend.
What ought to disturb fellow tour pros is that Park believes her ball striking has been carrying her this year. She’s still waiting for her putter to heat up. She is frustrated with her flat stick, even though she ranks second in putts per greens in regulation this season.
“Inbee Park is one of the best putters ever,” said LPGA Hall of Famer Sandra Haynie, a 42-time LPGA winner. “She’s dangerous on the greens.”
Haynie said she would rank Park with Kathy Whitworth, Mickey Wright and Nancy Lopez as the best putters she ever saw.
Hall of Famer Joanne Carner says Park is the best putter she has seen since Lopez.
“I thought Nancy was a great putter,” Carner said. “Inbee is even better.”
Park uses a left-hand low grip, with a mostly shoulder move and quiet hands.
Lopez used a conventional grip, interlocking, with her right index finger down the shaft. She had a more handsy stroke than Park.
Like Lopez, Park prefers a mallet-style putter, and she doesn’t switch putters much. She is currently playing with an Odyssey White Hot 2-Ball putter. She won the gold medal with it two years ago. She used an Oddysey White Ice Sabertooth winged mallet when she won three majors in a row in 2013.
Lopez hit the LPGA as a rookie in 1978 with a Ray Cook M1 mallet putter and used it for 20 years. It’s in the World Golf Hall of Fame today.
“I watch Inbee, and I think, `Wow, that’s how I used to putt,’” Lopez said. “You can see she’s not mechanical at all. So many players today are mechanical. They forget if you just look at the hole and stroke it, you’re going to make more putts.”
Notably, Park has never had a putting coach, not really. Her husband and swing coach, Gi Hyeob Nam, will look at her stroke when she asks for help.
“When I’m putting, I’m concentrating on the read and mostly my speed,” Park said. “I don’t think mechanically about my stroke at all, unless I think there’s something wrong with it, and then I’ll have my husband take a look. But, really, I rely on my feel. I don’t think about my stroke when I’m out there playing.”
Hall of Famer Judy Rankin says Park’s remarkably consistent speed is a key to her putting.
“Inbee is definitely a feel putter, and her speed is so consistent, all the time,” Rankin said. “You have to assume she’s a great green reader.”
Beecher says Park’s ability to read greens is a gift. She doesn’t rely on him for that. She reads greens herself.
“I think what impresses me most is Inbee has a natural stroke,” Beecher said. “There’s nothing too technical. It’s more straight through and straight back, but I think the key element of the stroke is that she keeps the putter so close to the ground, all the time, on the takeaway and the follow-through. It helps with the roll and with consistency.”
Park said that’s one of her fundamentals.
“I keep it low, almost like I’m hitting the ground,” Park said. “When I don’t do that, I miss more putts.”
Beecher believes the real reason Park putts so well is that the putter brought her into the game. It’s how she got started, with her father, Gun Gyu Park, putting the club in her hands as a child. She loved putting on her own.
“That’s how she fell in love with the game,” Beecher said. “Getting started that way, it’s played a huge role in her career.”
Teams announced for NCAA DI women's regionals
Seventy-two teams and an additional 24 individuals were announced Wednesday as being selected to compete in the NCAA Division I women's regionals, May 7-9.
Each of the four regional sites will consist of 18 teams and an extra six individual players, whose teams were not selected. The low six teams and low three individuals will advance to the NCAA Championship, May 18-23, hosted by Oklahoma State at Karsten Creek Golf Club in Stillwater, Okla.
The four regional sites include Don Veller Seminole Golf Course & Club in Tallahassee, Fla., hosted by Florida State; UT Golf Club in Austin, Texas, hosted by the University of Texas; University Ridge Golf Course in Madison, Wis., hosted by the University of Wisconsin; TPC Harding Park in San Francisco, Calif., hosted by Stanford University.
Arkansas, Duke, UCLA and Alabama are the top seeds in their respective regionals. Arizona State, the third seed in the Madison regional, is the women's defending champion. Here's a look at the regional breakdown, along with teams and players:
|Austin Regional||Madison Regional||San Francisco Regional||Tallahassee Regional|
|Michigan State||Arizona State||South Carolina||Arizona|
|Auburn||Illinois||Oklahoma State||Wake Forest|
|Houston||Iowa State||Colorado||Florida State|
|East Carolina||Notre Dame||San Diego State||Kennesaw State|
|Texas Tech||Old Dominion||Pepperdine||Denver|
|Virginia Tech||Oregon State||Oregon||Coastal Carolina|
|UTSA||Idaho||Long Beach State||Missouri|
|Georgetown||Murray State||Grand Canyon||Charleston|
|Houston Baptist||North Dakota State||Princeton||Richmond|
|Missouri State||IUPUI||Farleigh Dickinson||Albany|
|Brigitte Dunne (SMU)||Connie Jaffrey (Kansas State)||Alivia Brown (Washington State)||Hee Ying Loy (E. Tennessee State)|
|Xiaolin Tian (Maryland)||Pinyada Kuvanun (Toledo)||Samantha Hutchinson (Cal-Davis)||Claudia De Antonio (LSU)|
|Greta Bruner (TCU)||Pun Chanachai (New Mexico State)||Ingrid Gutierrez (New Mexico)||Fernanda Lira (Central Arkansas)|
|Katrina Prendergast (Colorado State)||Elsa Moberly (Eastern Kentucky)||Abegail Arevalo (San Jose State)||Emma Svensson (Central Arkansas)|
|Ellen Secor (Colorado State)||Erin Harper (Indiana)||Darian Zachek (New Mexico)||Valentina Giraldo (Jacksonville State)|
|Faith Summers (SMU)||Cara Basso (Penn State)||Christine Danielsson (Cal-Davis)||Kaeli Jones (UCF)|
Leach on grizzlies, walk-up music and hating golf
He's one of college football's deepest thinkers, and he has no time to waste on a golf course.
Washington State head football coach Mike Leach created headlines last week when he shared his view that golf is "boring" and should be reserved for those who, unlike him, need practice swearing. The author and coach joined host Will Gray on the latest episode of the Golf Channel podcast to expand on those views - and veer into some unexpected territory.
Leach shared how his father and brother both got bitten by the golf bug as he grew up, but he steered clear in part because the sport boasts an overly thick rule book:
"First of all, the other thing I don't like is it's pretentious. There's a lot of rules. Don't do it this way, don't do it that way. You walked between my ball and the hole. This guy has to go first, then you go after he does. I mean, all these rules, I just don't understand."
Leach also shared his perspective about what fuels the vibrant fashion choices seen on many courses:
"You can tell there's a subtle, internal rebellion going on with golf, and where that subtle, internal rebellion manifests itself is they really liven up the clothes. I mean, they're beaten down by all the little subtle rules, so they really liven up the clothes. Maybe have knickers, maybe they'll have a floppy hat or something like that."
Leach on the advice he would sometimes offer when friends explained their rationale for hitting the links:
"They say, 'Well I don't go there to golf or go to take it seriously. When I go golf, I just like to have some beers.' And I'm thinking, 'You know there's bars for that? There's bars for that, and at those bars they have, often times, attractive women and music going on?'"
Leach is heading into his seventh season at Washington State, and he also described a unique hazard that can sometimes pop up at the on-campus course in Pullman, Wash.:
"In the spring the grizzlies come out, and the grizzly preserve is right across the street from the golf course. So they’ll be out, you’ll see them running around on the hills inside the preserve there. But there is this visual where, all of a sudden you drive up this hill on your golf cart, and you’re at the tee box and you’re getting ready to hit, and on the hill just opposite of you it’s covered with grizzly bears. And as you’re getting ready to hit your ball, it occurs to you that the grizzly bears are going to beat you to your ball."
Other topics in the wide-ranging discussion included Leach's proposal for a 64-team playoff in NCAA Division I football, his chance encounter with Tiger Woods before a game between the Cougars and Woods' Stanford Cardinal, his preferred walk-up music and plans for "full contact golf."
Listen to the entire podcast below:
Post-Masters blitz 'exhausting' but Reed ready for return
AVONDALE, La. – After briefly suffering from First-Time Major Winner Fatigue, Patrick Reed is eager to get back inside the ropes this week at the Zurich Classic.
The media blitz is an eye-opening experience for every new major champ. Reed had been told to expect not to get any sleep for about a week after his win, and sure enough he jetted off to New York City for some sightseeing, photo shoots, baseball games, late-night talk shows, phone calls and basketball games, sitting courtside in the green jacket at Madison Square Garden next to comedian Chris Rock, personality Michael Strahan and rapper 2 Chainz. Then he returned home to Houston, where the members at Carlton Woods hosted a reception in his honor.
With Reed’s head still spinning, his wife, Justine, spent the better part of the past two weeks responding to each of the 880 emails she received from fans and well-wishers.
“It’s been a lot more exhausting than I thought it’d be,” he said Wednesday at TPC Louisiana, where he’ll make his first start since the Masters.
It’s a good problem to have, of course.
Reed was already planning a family vacation to the Bahamas the week after Augusta, so the media tour just took its place. As many directions as he was pulled, as little sleep as he got, Reed said, “We still had a blast with it.”
There are few places better to ease into his new world than at the Zurich, where he’ll partner with Patrick Cantlay for the second year in a row.
Reed wants to play well, not only for himself but also his teammate. After all, it could be an important week for Cantlay, who is on U.S. Ryder Cup captain Jim Furyk’s radar after a victory last fall. That didn’t earn him any Ryder Cup points, however – he sits 38th in the standings – so performing well here in fourballs and foursomes could go a long way toward impressing the captain.
“There’s maybe a little extra if we play well,” Cantlay said, “but I’m just trying to play well every week.”
Reed got back to work on his game last Tuesday. He said that he’s prepared, ready to play and looking forward to building off his breakthrough major.
“A lot of guys have told me to just be careful with your time,” he said. “There will be a lot of things you didn’t have to do or didn’t have in the past that are going to come up.
“But first things first, you’ve got to go out and grind and play some good golf and focus on golf, because the time you stay and not focus on golf will be the time you go backward. That’s nothing any of us want. We all want to improve and get better.”