Golf Talk Live - Loren Roberts Transcript Segment 4

By Golf Channel DigitalNovember 13, 2000, 5:00 pm
JENNIFER MILLS
NOW THIS IS THE POINT IN THE SHOW WHERE WE WANT YOU TO MAKE US PUTT LIKE THAT LOREN.

LOREN ROBERTS
OKAY

JENNIFER MILLS
SO THE PRESSURES ON.

LOREN ROBERTS
OHHH

JENNIFER MILLS
LET'S SEE NOW. WE'VE MOVED OVER TO THE ACADEMY LIVE SET AND I'M SURE THAT ON WEDNESDAYS AND THE PRO-AMS THAT'S PROBABLY THE FIRST QUESTION EVERYBODY ASKS YOU IS TELL ME, GIVE US SOME PUTTING TIPS. WHAT DO WE DO?

LOREN ROBERTS
WELL, YOU KNOW, I DO THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THEN MOST. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK LINE IS VERY SECONDARY. I THINK PEOPLE WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT LINE ND YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU PLAY IN PRO-AMS AND, AND YOU WATCH AMATEUR PARTNERS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE IN A SCRAMBLE YOU KNOW, THE FIRST GUY THAT YOU SEND UP THERE IN A SCRAMBLE IS ALWAYS THE SACRIFICIAL LAMB

JENNIFER MILLS
(LAUGHS)

LOREN ROBERTS
AND, AND HE, YOU KNOW HE'S NEVER GOING TO GET IT CLOSE, AND THEN IF YOU DON'T MAKE IT BY THE SECOND TIME, YOU USUALLY DON'T HAVE A CHANCE BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S WORRYING ABOUT THE LINE, YOU KNOW, THEY THINK IT'S TWO AND A HALF BALLS OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT EDGE, NO IT'S THREE. LINE IS VERY, IT'S VERY OVER THOUGHT OUT AND I THINK SPEED'S THE WHOLE THING.

JENNIFER MILLS
WHEN YOU STAND UP TO A, WHEN YOU GO UP AND DO, WALK US THROUGH. IF YOU CAN VERBALIZE

LOREN ROBERTS
OKAY

JENNIFER MILLS
WALK US THROUGH YOUR PRE-SHOT. BOTH WHAT'S HAPPENING UP HERE AND THEN PHYSICALLY ALL THE THINGS YOU'RE DOING.

LOREN ROBERTS
WELL, WELL ONE THING, WHEN I'M WALKING UP ON THE GREEN I'M ALREADY LINING UP MY PUTTING BEFORE I GET ANYWHERE NEAR MY BALL. WHEN I PLAY THE SHOT IN THE FAIRWAY UH YOU BEING ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THE LAY OF THE GREEN, IT'S A COMBINATION OF EYE SIGHT AND YOUR FEET. YOU KNOW, YOU TELL HOW THE SLOPES ARE AND THE GREENS BY, BY THE WAY YOU WALK AND WHAT YOU OBSERVE AND AS YOU'RE WALKING UP TO YOUR BALL YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT YOUR PUTT'S ALREADY GOING TO DO BEFORE YOU EVEN GET UP THERE TO LINE IT UP, AND WHAT I TRY TO DO IS THAT I ALWAYS TRY TO LOOK AT THE PUTT FROM BEHIND AND THEN I ALWAYS TRY TO GET ON THE LOW SIDE OF THE PUTT. IN OTHER WORDS, I NEVER WANT TO STAND ON THE UPHILL SIDE OF IT, I ALWAYS WANT TO GET ON THE LOW SIDE OF IT.

JENNIFER MILLS
WHY?

LOREN ROBERTS
WELL YOU, I THINK YOU HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT THE SLOPE OF THE GREEN'S GOING TO BE WHEN YOU'RE ALWAYS ON THE DOWNHILL SIDE OF THE PUTT.

JENNIFER MILLS
MHMM

LOREN ROBERTS
UH, SO ONCE I'VE DECIDED THAT, I'LL COME BACK AROUND AND SOMETIMES MY, MY ROUTINE VARIES, IN FACT, SOMETIMES I'M LIKE A GOLFER THAT I, MY PRE-SHOT ROUTINE, WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING GET OFF AND I HAVE TO FIX IT, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS, THE IDEA IF I'M GOING TO ROLL THE BALL UP AROUND THE HOLE, AND ONCE I'VE LOOKED AT IT, I'VE GOT DOWN AND DECIDED WHAT I WANT TO DO, I GET UP OVER THE PUTT AND I ALWAYS VISUALIZE, AND I ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT WHEN I TAKE MY PRACTICE STROKES, I MAKE THE SAME PRACTICE STROKE THAT I THINK I'M GOING TO NEED TO HIT THE BALL TO GO THE SAME DISTANCE. YOU KNOW SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE PLAYERS, THEY'LL TAKE A REAL

JENNIFER MILLS
JESPER PARNEVIK

LOREN ROBERTS
YEAH, A REAL AGGRESSIVE STROKE OR SOME TIMES THEY WOULD JUST TAKE, KIND OF TAKE A LITTLE STROKE, I ALWAYS LIKE TO MAKE MY STROKE THE SAME AS WHAT I'M GOING TO HIT THE BALL WITH,

JENNIFER MILLS
LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION ALONG THE WAY

LOREN ROBERTS
MHMM

JENNIFER MILLS
YOU'RE, IS IT A PENDULUM STROKE? ARE YOU GOING BACK AS FAR AS

LOREN ROBERTS
YEAH

JENNIFER MILLS
YOU'RE, YOU'RE FINISHING?

LOREN ROBERTS
YEAH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SAY SPEED IS THE NUMBER ONE THING BUT IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO CONTROL IT PHYSICALLY WITH YOUR STROKE IT DOES YOU NO GOOD

JENNIFER MILLS
MHMM

LOREN ROBERTS
SO WHAT I TRY TO DO, AND THERE'S A FEW BASIC PHYSICAL THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO HAVE A GOOD SPEED CONTROL PUTTING STROKE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT I ALWAYS TRY TO MAKE THE PUTTER GO THE SAME DISTANCE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BALL. WHERE AS I THINK, THE ONE THING EVERY GOLF TEACHER WILL AGREE ON, IS THE IDEAL PUTTING STROKE WOULD BE A PURE PENDULUM ACTION, AND SO THAT'S WHAT I TRY TO ACHIEVE WITH MY STROKE, AND IF YOU HAVE A PURE PENDULUM ACTION IT'S GOT TO TRAVEL THE SAME DISTANCE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BALL, OF THE VERY BOTTOM OF IT.

JENNIFER MILLS
MHMM

LOREN ROBERTS
OF THE PENDULUM ACTION, SO I TRY TO MAKE SURE

JENNIFER MILLS
YOUR GRIP IS

LOREN ROBERTS
YEAH, I TRY TO MAKE THE PUTTER GO THE SAME DISTANCE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BALL AND I TRY TO OPPOSE MY PALMS WITH THE GRIP AS MUCH AS I CAN. IN OTHER WORDS, I, I'M VERY CORY PAVIN DOES THIS UH VERY WELL. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I PICKED IT UP FROM WAS FROM HIM WAS THAT I TURNED THE LEFT HAND VERY WEAK AND I TURNED THE RIGHT HAND UNDER OPPOSING MY PALMS AND THAT KEEPS MY ELBOWS IN AND I WANT TO KEEP MY FOREARMS ON THE SAME PLANE

JENNIFER MILLS
MHMM

LOREN ROBERTS
COMBINE THAT WITH A LITTLE MORE WEIGHT INTO MY LEFT FOOT SO THAT I CAN LOWER MY SHOULDERS AS MUCH AS I CAN. KEEP THEM AS LEVEL AS I POSSIBLY CAN.

JENNIFER MILLS
IS YOUR WEIGHT BACK, FORWARD IN YOUR STANCE OR ABOUT MIDDLE OF YOUR STANCE BUT LEFT SIDE.

LOREN ROBERTS
I WANT TO KEEP MY EYES RIGHT OVER THE TOP OF THE BALL. IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANT TO GET OUT OVER IT AND I DON'T WANT TO STAND AWAY FROM IT. I WANT MY EYE RIGHT OVER THE TOP OF THAT BALL

JENNIFER MILLS
MHMM

LOREN ROBERTS
BECAUSE I LEAN A LITTLE BIT INTO MY LEFT SIDE. MAYBE PUT 60 - 40 ONTO MY LEFT LEG AND HAVE MY EYES OVER THE BALL. I'M GOING TO POSITION THE BALL A LITTLE FAR (??) OF FORWARD IN MY STANCE. MAYBE JUST INSIDE MY LEFT INSTEP.

JENNIFER MILLS
BUT I JUST WANT TO BE OVER THE BALL. MY FOREARMS ARE ON THE SAME PLANE. STANDING AS TALL AS I CAN, AND JUST TRYING TO MAKE A PURE SHOULDER STROKE. I TRY TO CONTROL THE, THE STROKE WITH THE MUSCLES RIGHT HERE IN MY CHEST AND MY ARM PITS. YOU NEVER LIKE TO SAY, WELL I SQUEEZE HERE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE'S ANY TENSION BUT I LIKE TO FEEL IT AS IF I'M CONTROLLING IT FROM HERE IN MY CHEST AND NOT IN MY HANDS.

JENNIFER MILLS
WHICH KEEPS EVERYTHING IN A

LOREN ROBERTS
RIGHT

JENNIFER MILLS
SORT OF A SINGULAR MOTION.

LOREN ROBERTS
RIGHT.

JENNIFER MILLS
WE HAVE SOME TRICKY BREAKS ON THIS GREEN.

LOREN ROBERTS
(LAUGHS)

JENNIFER MILLS
A VERY ELABORATE GREEN HERE. LET'S (LAUGHS)

LOREN ROBERTS
WELL

JENNIFER MILLS
LET'S LET YOU TRY.

LOREN ROBERTS
ONCE I'VE DECIDED, BASICALLY

JENNIFER MILLS
WHAT DO YOU SEE?

LOREN ROBERTS
HOW I'M GOING TO LOOK AT IT, I, YOU KNOW I LOOK AT IT AND WHY I THINK LINE IS, IS OVER STRESSED BY A LOT OF PLAYERS IS THAT, WHEN YOU STAND BEHIND IT AND YOU'RE LINING IT UP, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT'S GOING TO BREAK TO GO IN THE HOLE, YOU'VE ALREADY PUT THAT, THAT THOUGHT IN YOUR MIND, YOU'VE ALREADY VISUALIZED THAT BALL GOING IN THE HOLE. SO THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE.

JENNIFER MILLS
SO GET RID OF THAT AND THINK ABOUT

JENNIFER MILLS
SO, SO ONCE YOU STEP UP TO THE BALL, I JUST FIGURE AIM LEFT OF THE HOLE OR RIGHT OF THE HOLE WITH THAT THOUGHT THAT I HAVE IN MY MIND. THAT VISUALIZATION OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO. I'VE ALREADY PUT THAT BREAK IN THERE. I DON'T THINK ABOUT IT. NOW I JUST WANT TO ROLL THE BALL UP AROUND THE HOLE. YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE, LIKE THROWING A BALL OR SHOOTING A THREE THROW OR SOMETHING. VERY RARELY DO YOU EVER SEE SOMEBODY THROW A BALL FROM SOMEBODY 30 FEET AWAY AND HAVE IT GO OFF IN A, IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN. YOU'RE ALWAYS PRETTY MUCH IN THE SAME VICINITY, AND THAT'S ALL YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

JENNIFER MILLS
UNTIL YOU THINK ABOUT AIMING.

LOREN ROBERTS
WELL, YEAH, IT TAKES ALL, IT TAKES ALL THE PRESSURE. YOU WANT TO TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF YOURSELF FROM AIMING SO THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS SPEED CONTROL AND YOU WILL BE AMAZED AT HOW MANY TIMES YOU HIT THE BALL ON THE RIGHT LINE

JENNIFER MILLS
MHMM

LOREN ROBERTS
JUST THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO SCROLL UP AROUND THE HOLE SPEED (??).

JENNIFER MILLS
WELL LET'S, LET'S WATCH

LOREN ROBERTS
OKAY. LET ME HIT A COUPLE OF PUTTS HERE, AND

JENNIFER MILLS
A LOT OF PRESSURE

LOREN ROBERTS
GOT MY GRIP

JENNIFER MILLS
GOT TO MAKE THE FIRST ONE.

LOREN ROBERTS
OH BOY

JENNIFER MILLS
THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

LOREN ROBERTS
OKAY, WELL I (??)

JENNIFER MILLS
REMEMBER, REMEMBER THAT AMATEUR YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT

LOREN ROBERTS
THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. HERE WE GO.


OH, THAT'S WAY OFF LINE ISN'T IT?

JENNIFER MILLS
(LAUGHS)

LOREN ROBERTS
BUT THE MAIN THING IS TRYING TO GET THE BALL TO ROLL THE RIGHT SPEED BACK AND THROUGH, AND I NEVER, I NEVER TRY TO HIT THE BALL WHEN I PUTT. I ALWAYS LET THE BALL GET IN THE WAY OF A SWINGING PENDULUM.

JENNIFER MILLS
THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT.

LOREN ROBERTS
SO THAT I WANT TO TAKE THE HIT OUT OF IT. I WANT IT TO JUST GET IN THE WAY OF THE SWINGING PENDULUM PUTTER.

JENNIFER MILLS
MHMM. MHMM.

LOREN ROBERTS
AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY WHOLE CONCERN, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO CONTROL THE DISTANCE THAT THIS BALL GOES BY THE LENGTH OF OUR BACKSTROKE, AND SO IT'S GOT TO GO THE SAME DISTANCE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BALL, AND I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH THIS PUTT RIGHT NOW.

JENNIFER MILLS
WELL THIS IS A TRICKY GREEN, I TOLD YOU. A GOOD ROUND OF, A GOOD ROUND FOR YOU IS HOW MANY PUTTS?

LOREN ROBERTS
UM

JENNIFER MILLS
(???)

LOREN ROBERTS
I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY AN AVERAGE ROUND WOULD BE 28 PUTTS AND A GOOD ROUND IS 23 PUTTS. OBVIOUSLY IF YOU GO AROUND IN 18 HOLES, AND 23 ,24 PUTTS YOU'VE PUTTED EXCEPTIONALLY WELL.

JENNIFER MILLS
WHAT'S YOUR BEST EVER? DO YOU KNOW?

LOREN ROBERTS
YOU KNOW I, I HAVE NO IDEA. I DON'T REALLY GET CAUGHT UP IN THE STATS SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MY BEST PUTTING ROUND IS.

JENNIFER MILLS
WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, BUT IN TERMS OF THE BIGGEST MISTAKES YOU SEE AN AMATEUR MAKE

LOREN ROBERTS
MHMM

JENNIFER MILLS
WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT'S LOOKING TOO MUCH AT THE LINE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE LINE, VERSUS THE SPEED?

LOREN ROBERTS
WITHOUT, WITHOUT QUESTION, I MEAN, HOW MANY GOOD ROUNDS HAVE AMATEURS RUINED BY GOING OUT AND THEY START OFF IN THE FIRST THREE OR FOUR HOLES AND THEY HIT THE BALL PRETTY GOOD, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE GREENS AND THEY THREE PUTT, TWO OUT OF THE FIRST FOUR HOLES. NOTHING RUINS A ROUND OF GOLF QUICKER THAN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, PLAYING IN PRO-AMS ON A 30 FOOT PUTT, I WILL NEVER SEE AN AMATEUR HIT THE BALL OFF LINE, UNLESS IT'S SOME KIND OF A RIDICULOUS BREAKING PUTT, MORE THAN TWO OR THREE FEET, BUT
FROM 30 FEET, I'VE SEEN THEM LEAVE IT 15 FEET SHORT AND KNOCK IT 15 FEET BY THE HOLE. SPEED CONTROL IS EVERYTHING.

JENNIFER MILLS
MHMM. MHMM, LET'S TAKE A PHONE CALL. WE HAVE STEPHEN ON THE LINE.

LOREN ROBERTS
MHMM

JENNIFER MILLS
HE IS 12 YEARS OLD. STEPHEN'S IN NORTH CAROLINA. HI STEPHEN. GLAD YOU CALLED.

LOREN ROBERTS
HI STEPHEN.

STEPHEN FROM NORTH CAROLINA

HEY UH

LOREN ROBERTS
HOW YOU DOING?

STEPHEN FROM NORTH CAROLINA

PRETTY GOOD. HOW ABOUT YOU?

LOREN ROBERTS
GREAT

JENNIFER MILLS
GOOD. GOT A QUESTION FOR US?

STEPHEN FROM NORTH CAROLINA

YEAH, I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAD ANY TIPS FOR ME TO GET BETTER AT PUTTING.

LOREN ROBERTS
YOU KNOW

JENNIFER MILLS
HE'S 12

LOREN ROBERTS
THE MAIN THING IS TO GO OUT AND PRACTICE, AND WHEN YOU PRACTICE, HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, YOU NEED TO FIND THE TOUGHEST, LONGEST PUTT ON THE GREEN. ONE WITH TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT BREAKS UP AND DOWN HILL AND WORK ON THAT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO WORK ON TRYING TO LAG THE BALL CLOSE TO THE HOLE, ALSO THAT WORKS ON YOUR IMAGINATION FOR SEEING BREAKS AND SEEING THE LINE AND THEN PRACTICE ALL THE TWO AND THREE FOOTERS. YOU CAN STAND OUT THERE


ALL DAY AND PRACTICE TEN FOOTERS AND NOT, AND, AND NOT REALLY IMPROVE THAT MUCH, BUT IF YOU COULD LAG IT UP CLOSE FROM A LONG WAYS AWAY AND MAKE ALL THE SHORT ONES, YOU'RE GOING TO BE A GREAT PUTTER.

NOW PHYSICALLY PRACTICE, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO GO OUT AND, YOU KNOW, HIT SOME PUTTS WITH JUST YOUR RIGHT HAND. IF YOU'D GO OUT AND IF YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH YOUR PUTTER AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET YOUR STROKE DEVELOPED OR GET THE PUTTER IN THE RIGHT SEQUENCE, HIT SOME PUTTS WITH JUST THE RIGHT HAND AND THAT'LL MAKE YOUR WRISTS BREAK

JENNIFER MILLS
SHOW US

LOREN ROBERTS
IF, IF YOU PUTT WITH JUST YOUR RIGHT HAND AND YOUR LEFT HAND IN YOUR POCKET, IF YOU HIT SOME PUTTS THAT, GENERALLY, YOU'LL MAKE THE PUTTER SWING BACK PROPERLY BECAUSE WITH JUST YOUR RIGHT HAND, YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME SWING IN THE SHAFT AND YOU CAN SEE YOUR RIGHT WRIST IS GOING TO BREAK AND SET THE PUTTER IN THE RIGHT POSITION TO REALLY MAKE A GOOD STRIKE THROUGH THE BALL. SO IT'S A GREAT DRILL TO, TO WORK ON.

JENNIFER MILLS

GOOD, GOOD QUESTION, STEPHEN. GIVE SOME KIDS SOME TIPS OUT THERE. THANK YOU, LOREN. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK. ONE OF THE BEST PUTTING DISPLAYS WE'VE SEEN ALL YEAR WAS FROM YOU AT THE MASTERS, SO AS WE GO TO BREAK, YOU CAN ENJOY

LOREN ROBERTS
OKAY

JENNIFER MILLS
ONE THAT WENT IN. WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE LOREN ROBERTS STORIES AS WE CONTINUE ON GOLF TALK LIVE.

(BREAK)

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Post-Masters blitz 'exhausting' but Reed ready for return

By Ryan LavnerApril 25, 2018, 8:24 pm

AVONDALE, La. – After briefly suffering from First-Time Major Winner Fatigue, Patrick Reed is eager to get back inside the ropes this week at the Zurich Classic.

The media blitz is an eye-opening experience for every new major champ. Reed had been told to expect not to get any sleep for about a week after his win, and sure enough he jetted off to New York City for some sightseeing, photo shoots, baseball games, late-night talk shows, phone calls and basketball games, sitting courtside in the green jacket at Madison Square Garden next to comedian Chris Rock, personality Michael Strahan and rapper 2 Chainz. Then he returned home to Houston, where the members at Carlton Woods hosted a reception in his honor.

With Reed’s head still spinning, his wife, Justine, spent the better part of the past two weeks responding to each of the 880 emails she received from fans and well-wishers.

“It’s been a lot more exhausting than I thought it’d be,” he said Wednesday at TPC Louisiana, where he’ll make his first start since the Masters.

It’s a good problem to have, of course.

Reed was already planning a family vacation to the Bahamas the week after Augusta, so the media tour just took its place. As many directions as he was pulled, as little sleep as he got, Reed said, “We still had a blast with it.”


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There are few places better to ease into his new world than at the Zurich, where he’ll partner with Patrick Cantlay for the second year in a row.

Reed wants to play well, not only for himself but also his teammate. After all, it could be an important week for Cantlay, who is on U.S. Ryder Cup captain Jim Furyk’s radar after a victory last fall. That didn’t earn him any Ryder Cup points, however – he sits 38th in the standings – so performing well here in fourballs and foursomes could go a long way toward impressing the captain.

“There’s maybe a little extra if we play well,” Cantlay said, “but I’m just trying to play well every week.” 

Reed got back to work on his game last Tuesday. He said that he’s prepared, ready to play and looking forward to building off his breakthrough major.

“A lot of guys have told me to just be careful with your time,” he said. “There will be a lot of things you didn’t have to do or didn’t have in the past that are going to come up.

“But first things first, you’ve got to go out and grind and play some good golf and focus on golf, because the time you stay and not focus on golf will be the time you go backward. That’s nothing any of us want. We all want to improve and get better.”

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Success and failure more than wins and losses

By Rex HoggardApril 25, 2018, 7:04 pm

It was a vulnerable moment for James Hahn that was driven by emotion and unflinching self-examination.

Hahn had just dropped a tough decision to Patton Kizzire, losing on the sixth extra hole at January’s Sony Open, so the feelings were raw and his mind was still digesting the missed opportunity.

“I feel like losing sticks with me longer than winning,” he allowed.

Put another way, Hahn, a two-time winner on the PGA Tour, acknowledged that he hates losing more than he likes winning, which is all at once understanding for an elite athlete and curious coming from a professional golfer.

Tiger Woods has played 334 Tour events in his career and won 79 times. That’s a 24-percent winning clip, which would get you sent to the minor leagues in professional baseball but is the benchmark for greatness in golf.

Perhaps Jack Nicklaus is an even more apropos example, considering that the Golden Bear played 164 majors in his career and won 18, more than any other player. Even if you edit that scorecard to only count Nicklaus’ Grand Slam starts during his prime, let’s say through the 1986 season when he won his last major, that’s a .166 batting average.

“When it comes to golf it’s tough to have that mentality, because you lose a lot more than you win. Even Tiger in his hay day was losing a lot more than he was winning,” Wesley Bryan said. “I definitely hate losing, but there’s a caveat: I hate losing to my brother more than I like winning.”

But the statistical reality of golf doesn’t discount Hahn’s take, it simply suggests there’s a more nuanced way of defining how the win/loss column impacts Tour types.



In the case of Nicklaus, it’s not just those 18 majors that assures his spot as one of the greatest; it’s also his 19 runner-up finishes in Grand Slam starts that pads his resume. Although Nicklaus is often reluctant to revisit those near misses, and there are a few of those also-rans for which he’d passionately embrace a cosmic mulligan, there’s something to be said for simply having the opportunity.

“I hate losing, losing stinks, but at least if you put yourself there it’s better than if you didn’t put yourself there,” explained Billy Horschel, a four-time winner on Tour. “We lose a lot, we lose more than any other professional athlete. Do you get accustomed to losing? Yeah maybe, but you hate not having the chance to at least win.”

Horschel isn’t making excuses or giving himself psychological cover, he’s simply being realistic. Even the best seasons, like Justin Thomas’ five-victory outing in 2017 that included a major triumph (PGA Championship) and Tour Player of the Year honors, features what in any other sport would be considered a losing record (he played 25 events).

Even Woods, who for much of his career adhered to a strict “second sucks” mindset, has found some solace in moral victories following multiple injuries and medical setbacks in recent years.

“We’re all so competitive out here and when you’re going head-to-head like that you’re wanting to win so bad,” Harris English said. “Losing sucks, but with golf you lose a whole lot more than you win. You’ve got to be a pretty good loser.”

Success in golf is relative and requires a subtle scale to measure progress. For many, a top-10 finish is all the validation they need to push forward, while for others, like Horschel, progress is measured by winning opportunities.

The joy of victory and pain of defeat is evident each Sunday on Tour, the emotions often etched into a player’s face with equal clarity. But for many, simply making or missing the cut can produce just as much emotion.

“If you miss a cut you don’t have a chance to win, that’s the worst feeling in the world,” Horschel said. “I could lose in a playoff, like to Jason Day [at the 2017 AT&T Byron Nelson, which Horschel won], that would’ve sucked, but I don’t think it would have sucked as much as me missing the cut. I hate not having a chance.”

The fine line between victory and defeat can also be defined on a much more personal level for some. In other sports, you are what your record says you are, but in golf you can be what the opportunity provided. Although it’s a fine line with infinite shades of success and failure, there is a notion in golf that sometimes you lose an event and sometimes you’re beaten.

It was a distinction that Hahn at the Sony Open had little interest in, but with time can allow a player to make an à la carte assessment that’s emotionally detached from what the box score may say.

“It’s all about you giving it your all,” English said. “If you did everything you could, if you hit the shots you wanted to, if you hit the putts you wanted to, under that situation that’s all you can do. If someone outplays you, so be it.”

Hahn’s point is no less valid, even the game’s greatest contend you learn more from defeat than you do victory, and it’s competitive nature to, as he explained, hate losing more than you like winning. But in professional golf defining what’s a win and what’s a loss, is very much a sliding scale.

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Listen up: All the walk-up songs for Zurich Classic teams

By Golf Channel DigitalApril 25, 2018, 6:28 pm

Teams that make it to the weekend at the Zurich Classic of New Orleans will be accompanied by walk-up music to the first tee. The top 35 teams will qualify for weekend play. Here's a look at what the two-man teams have chosen:

Team                                         Song                                      Artist                                       
William McGirt/Sam Burns Callin’ Baton Rouge Garth Brooks
Kevin Na/Byeong Hun An Make ’em say Uhh Master P
Chris Kirk/J.T. Poston Crazy Train Ozzy Osbourne
Chez Reavie/Lucas Glover For Whom the Bell Tolls Metallica
Martin Piller/Joel Dahmen Lovumba Daddy Yankee
K.J. Choi/Charlie Wi Gangnam Style PSY
Ryan Armour/Johnson Wagner Enter Sandman Metallica
C.T. Pan/Zac Blair Half Time Ying Yang Twins
Tyrone Van Aswegen/Retief Goosen Africa Toto
Tom Hoge/J.J. Henry Right Now Van Halen
Shawn Stefani/John Rollins Thunderstruck AC/DC
Tony Finau/Daniel Summerhays Doo Wa Ditty (Blow That Thing) Zapp & Roger
Keith Mitchell/Stephan Jaeger Pizza Guy Touch Sensitive
Ben Silverman/Matt Atkins Enter Sandman Metallica
Zach Johnson/Jonathan Byrd Thunderstruck AC/DC
Patrick Reed/Patrick Cantlay Eye of the Tiger Survivor
Greg Chalmers/Cameron Percy Down Under Men at Work
Keegan Bradley/Jon Curran Shipping up to Boston Dropkick Murphys
Brendan Steele/Jamie Lovemark California Love Tupac
Charley Hoffman/Nick Watney California Love Tupac
Billy Horschel/Scott Piercy Young Forever Jay Z ft. Mrs. Hudson
Cody Gribble/John Peterson Careless Whisper George Michael
Steve Stricker/Jerry Kelly As Good As I Once Was Toby Keith
Chris Stroud/Brian Stuard Enter Sandman Metallica
Sergio Garcia/Rafa Cabrera Bello The Best Tina Turner
Kevin Tway/Kelly Kraft Gucci Gang Lil Pump
D.A. Points/Kyle Thompson Working for the Weekend Loverboy
Mac Hughes/Corey Conners Big League Tom Cochrane & Red Rider
Justin Thomas/Bud Cauley Circle of Life Carmen Twillie
Shane Lowry/Padraig Harrington Beautiful Day U2
Russell Knox/Martin Laird Flower of Scotland  
Gary Woodland/Daniel Berger Forever Drake
Brandon Harkins/Lanto Griffin Started From the Bottom Drake
Kevin Kisner/Scott Brown Slippery Migos
Andrew Landry/Talor Gooch Big Poppa Notorious BIG
Jason Day/Ryan Ruffels Down Under Men at Work
Justin Rose/Henrik Stenson Gold Spandau Ballet
Matt Every/Sam Saunders Running With the Devil Van Halen
Jon Rahm/Wesley Bryan DNA Kendrick Lamar
Emiliano Grillo/Peter Uihlein Mi Gente (Remix) J Balvin, Willy William, Busta K.
Jamie Donaldson/Ross Fisher Sweet Disposition The Temper Trap
Harold Varner III/Robert Garrigus Ebony and Ivory Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder
Alex Cejka/Ben Crane Here I Go Again Whitesnake
Abraham Ancer/Roberto Diaz Mexico Lindo y Querido Vicente Fernandez
Xinjun Zhang/Zecheng Dou Believe in Myself Zero Point Band
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College season one for the record books

By Nicole RaeApril 25, 2018, 4:50 pm

March Madness may be over, but in the college golf world, the madness is just beginning.

With NCAA Division I Regionals the next two weeks, championship season is officially underway, which means it’s time for college golf to again swing into the spotlight. And rightfully so. This is turning out to be a record-breaking season, and the excitement around this year’s NCAA Championships is brewing.

In this wrap-around college campaign, five different NCAA Division I men’s teams have won four or more events. Oklahoma State leads the way with eight wins, seven of which came in consecutive starts to tie the school’s single-season winning streak, set in 1986-87. The most wins in one season for the Cowboys is 10, and with a home-course advantage at this year’s NCAA Championships, they’re setting themselves up for a good shot at another record – and a national title.

On the women’s side, three teams have notched half-a-dozen wins each. Arkansas won the SEC Championship for the first time in program history to earn their sixth victory of the year, while Southern California has won six times with four freshmen in their starting lineup. Top-ranked UCLA captured its sixth win at the Pac-12 Championship by a 12-shot margin, leaving the last three national champions coughing in the dust.


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Much of UCLA’s success this season can be credited to powerhouse junior Lilia Vu. She captured four individual titles in as many starts earlier this season, a repeat of the feat she also accomplished last year. Along with being the top-ranked amateur in the world, her most recent victory etched her name in the record books, setting a Bruins women’s golf record for most career wins (8) and 54-hole scoring record (14 under par).

Stanford’s Andrea Lee has also been on the record-breaking trend. The 2017 Freshman of the Year set a new Cardinal freshman scoring average last season, and is currently on track to break the sophomore scoring record this season. Lee is just one win shy of tying the Stanford women’s career victories record of eight, and she hasn’t even finished her second full season.

College golfers are getting better and better, and they’ve got the scoring averages to prove it.

The Golfstat Cup is an annual award given at the end of the season to the men’s and women’s collegiate golfers with the lowest adjusted scoring average who played a minimum of 20 stroke-play rounds.

It’s no surprise that Vu leads the women’s side, with a scoring average of 69.95. What is surprising, however, is how much scoring averages are improving. Ten years ago, Duke’s Amanda Blumenherst won the award with a scoring average of 71.00. Another decade before that, in 1998, fellow Blue Devil Jenny Chuasiriporn led the standings with a 72.94 scoring average – nearly three strokes higher than Vu. In the 2017-18 season, the entire top 10 in scoring average fall below a 71.00.

The men are faring well, themselves. California junior Collin Morikawa leads the Golfstat Cup standings with a 68.67 scoring average. PGA Tour superstar Rickie Fowler took the top spot in 2008 with a 71.11 average at Oklahoma State, a number that would rank 70th in the standings today. Other notable winners of the Golfstat Cup include Tiger Woods (70.61 average in 1995-96), Luke Donald (70.45 average in 1998-99), and Jordan Spieth (70.92 average in 2012-13). Morikawa’s average is nearly two shots better than all three.

To put it in perspective, the PGA Tour average score this season is 71.46 and the LPGA tour’s average is 72.17. While courses and set up on the pro ranks are vastly different than at collegiate events, it’s no wonder we’ve seen an influx of young players leaving school early to pursue a professional career after proving they can score low – and win – amongst their peers. Sam Burns (LSU), Cameron Champ (Texas A&M), John Oda (UNLV), and Joaquin Niemann are just a few notable names who chose to forego their degree for a shot at a Tour card this past year. Collectively, they’ve already earned over $887,000.

As the regular college season comes to a close in the coming weeks, our attention inevitably will turn towards which standout amateurs could be The Next Big Thing and make their mark in the professional world. For the players slashing NCAA records this season, though, long-term success is secondary, at the moment. What’s primary in their minds? Stillwater, Oklahoma, and a national championship trophy.