Golf Talk Live - Tom Watson Transcript Segment 4
ALRIGHT HERE'S A QUESTION SUBMITTED TO OUR WEBSITE FOR THE TWO OF YOU. A MAJOR MANUFACTURER IS SELLING A CLUB THAT DOESN'T CONFORM WITH THE RULES OF GOLF. IT'S TIME FOR A
MANUFACTURER AND A HIGH PROFILE PLAYER TO VOICE THEIR OPINION, JIM IN HOUSTON, TEXAS SAYS TO THE TWO OF YOU. WELCOME, AS SOON AS WE COME BACK ON CAMERA, FOUNDER, PRESIDENT, CEO OF ADAMS GOLF. BARNEY ADAMS, GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.
BARNEY ADAMS, CHAIRMAN & CEO, ADAMS GOLF (MALE):
THANK YOU, PETER.
WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION, SIR?
WELL, I DO NOT THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE GAME TO VIOLATE THE RULES, ONCE YOU START IN THAT DIRECTION WHERE DO YOU STOP? I DON'T THINK IT'S HEALTHY. SECONDLY, I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR
THE GOLF PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT, FOR MANY MANUFACTURERS WELL DESIGNED DRIVERS THAT ARE CONFORMING, PLAY JUST AS WELL AS DESIRED DRIVERS THAT ARE NOT CONFORMING. THERE'S SOME MYSTIQUE OUT THERE THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU GO OVER THE SPEC, YOU'VE GOT THIS MAGIC DRIVER THAT HITS THE BALL, YOU
KNOW, 400 YARDS FURTHER. IT JUST ISN'T TRUE. IT'S A VERY, VERY FINE LINE, SO IT, IT, I KNOW WE ALL LIVE ON HOPE, BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S HEALTHY.
WELL, MY, MY RESPONSE IS WHAT, WHAT'S NEXT. I THOUGHT WE MIGHT SEE IT HERE AT THE PGA MERCHANDISE SHOW HERE THIS WEEK. A BALL MANUFACTURE COMING OUT WITH A GOLF BALL THAT
WENT 25% FARTHER, WHICH CAN BE DONE, ACCORDING TO PEOPLE IN THE GOLF BALL MANUFACTURING BUSINESS. THEY CAN MAKE A GOLF BALL THAT'S THAT HOT AND WE PLAY BY, WE PLAY BY THE RULES.
THIS IS A TOUGH ENOUGH GAME, BUT THE THING IS, WHY DO YOU PLAY BY ANY OTHER SET OF RULES BUT THAT ONE SET OF RULES. YOU CAN'T COMPARE YOURSELF TO ANYTHING ELSE. YOU CAN'T COMPARE
YOURSELF TO SOMEBODY IF YOU WERE USING AN ILLEGAL CLUB OR AN ILLEGAL GOLF BALL OR YOU KICKED THE BALL IN THE ROUGH. YOU TAKE A MULLIGAN. YOU GIVE YOURSELF A THREE FOOT PUTT. YOU WANT TO SHOOT THAT. YOU WANT TO BREAK 80, AND YOU GO OUT, AND YOU GO
OUT THERE AND YOU, YOU HIT EVERY SHOT. YOU MAKE EVERY PUTT AND YOU SHOOT A 79. BOY YOU FEEL GOOD AND THE GAME, THE GAME IS PLAYED THAT WAY, AND THERE'S NO ADVANTAGE, AND
THAT'S WHAT THE USGA AND THE R&A ARE FOR. THE DIFFICULTY I SEE RIGHT NOW IS THE, IS THE CHASM, IF YOU WILL, BETWEEN THE R&A AND THE USGA ON THIS ISSUE, ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE OF THE TRAMPOLINE EFFECT OF THE DRIVERS.
I WISH THEY WOULD GET TOGETHER AND BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, COME TO A JOINT, JOINT CONCLUSION ON WHAT IS, WHAT IS AND IS NOT THE TRAMPOLINE EFFECT OF THE DRIVER AND, AND THAT SHOULD LEAD TO OTHER, OTHER DECISIONS. THEY,
THEY, THEY, THEY SHOULD JOINTLY BE ABLE TO MAKE, AND THAT, THAT DISTURBS ME AND I'M SURE IT DISTURBS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN BOTH THE R&A AND THE USGA SEEING SOME
CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND IT, IT IS... IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.
AND AS BARNEY, BARNEY AND I CAN CONFIRM TO YOU, BREAKING 80 BY SHOOTING 79, ACTUALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 80 AND 79 IS TEN SHOTS, IT'S NOT ONE SHOT. IT FEELS LIKE TEN SHOTS.
TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS DRIVER THAT YOU'VE DESIGNED THAT HE CAN PLAY WITH BUT THAT ALSO I COULD PLAY WITH.
WELL THAT'S KIND OF THE CHALLENGE, PETER. WHEN YOU DESIGN A GOLF CLUB, WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNING IT, LET'S SAY WITH A TOM WATSON IN MIND, THE PROCEDURE THAT YOU FOLLOW IS THAT YOU, FIRST, WHEN YOU TEST, YOU USE
HIS SWING SPEED AND YOU MEASURE PERFORMANCE OFF THE MIDDLE OF THE CLUB WITH HIS SWING SPEED BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE HE HITS IT, AND ONCE YOU'VE OPTIMIZED PERFORMANCE OFF THE MIDDLE OF THE CLUB WITH HIS SWING SPEED, NOW YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND
OR REMEMBER, MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT, THAT THE AVERAGE GOLFER DOESN'T HIT IT HERE VERY OFTEN. THE REASON THE HEADS WERE MADE LARGER WAS TO INCREASE THE
RESISTANCE TO OFF CENTER HITS, BECAUSE THE AVERAGE GOLFER HITS THE BALL ALL OVER THE FACE, SO IF I DESIGN A GOLF CLUB THAT'S GOOD FOR TOM, ONLY IN THE MIDDLE, BUT NOT SO GOOD HERE AND
HERE, I'VE HELPED HIM, BUT I HAVEN'T HELPED MY MARKET PLACE, OR
CONVERSELY, IF YOU, SAY THEORETICALLY, IF YOU IGNORE TOM AND DO THE OPPOSITE, SO ONCE YOU'VE OPTIMIZED
AND SOME CLUBS HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WAY.
OH OF COURSE
IN OTHER WORDS, THE, THE BETTER HIT IS OFF THE TOE.
OH OF COURSE. YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S
THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF, MOST PLAYERS HIT IT
YEAH, BUT, THERE'S, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT, SO, TO ME, THE ESSENCE OF DESIGN IS TO MEET HIS SPECIFICATIONS, AND AT THE SAME TIME,
THEN DESIGN IN BY THE SHAPE OF THE CLUB, OR HOWEVER YOU DO IT, BUT, WHEN, AND YOU'RE TESTING, YOU GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE AS GOOD AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY BE AROUND THE FACE. THEN YOU GET THE BENEFIT FOR BOTH
PLAYERS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING MORE FUN IN GOLF FOR AN AMATEUR GOLFER, WHEN YOU HIT ONE AND YOU KNOW YOU HAVEN'T QUITE NAILED IT, BUT WHEN IT GETS OUT IN THE FAIRWAY IT'S OUT THERE PRETTY GOOD.
I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HE DOESN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. HE HITS IT IN THE MIDDLE. THAT'S A BIG DEAL FOR ME.
TELL ME WHY YOU LIKE THIS IDEA OF HAVING THE GRAPHITE SHAFT WITH THE STEEL TIP IN THE DRIVER AND THE FAIRWAY CLUBS, THE FAIRWAY WOOD CLUBS AND WHY THE STEEL WITH THE GRAPHITE TIP IS WORKING PARTICULARLY WELL IN THE IRONS, FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I, BARNEY CAME TO ME A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, ACTUALLY, WHEN WE WERE, WE JOINED FORCES A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, HE, HE CAME AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, TOM, WHAT KIND OF GUY ARE YOU AND I SAID WHAT KIND OF
GUY ARE YOU AND WE JUST, WE, WE'RE ON, WE'RE BY OURSELVES AND JUST TALKING, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR PHILOSOPHY OF THE GAME AND, AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER, AND HE JUST SAID,
WELL, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS THING I'VE GOT FOR YOU AND IT WAS A 7 IRON WITH A GRAPHITE
TIP TO IT, AND HE SAID HIT THIS THING ,SO I HIT IT AND IT, IT DIDN'T FEEL PARTICULARLY GOOD AT FIRST AND I SAID WELL WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE CONCEPT HERE AND HE SAID WELL, THIS IS VERY STIFF, WE'VE GOT A STEEL SHAFT, AND HE
SAID, THE CONCEPT IS, THE GOOD PLAYERS, VERY GOOD PLAYERS ALL USE STEEL IN THEIR IRONS. THEY DON'T USE GRAPHITE IN THE IRONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PROBLEM OF THE, OF THE CLUB BEING TOO LIGHT, TOO LIGHT AND THEY GET DIFFERENT DISTANCES, AND HE SAID
WHAT I'VE DONE HERE, THIS HAS BEEN, YOU'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT. YOU TOLD ME YOU'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT FOR 7 OR 8 YEARS OR WAS IT
LONGER THAN THAT?
NO, IT STARTED 7 YEARS AGO. IT TOOK ME, TOOK PEOPLE SMARTER THAN ME, 5 YEARS JUST TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP FROM BREAKING.
THAT WAS THE BIG DEAL.
BUT UH THE KEY HERE IS HAVE THE CONSISTENCY OF THE A STEEL SHAFT WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW THE DISTANCE. NOW WHEN I PLAY, WHEN I'M SWINGING MY BEST, I GO OUT, I HIT MY OWN BALLS, I
GO OUT AND PICK THEM UP AND I'LL HIT 7
IRONS AND I'LL HIT 3 IRONS, AND IF THERE'S NO WIND AND I'M REALLY HITTING THE BALL WELL, I WON'T HAVE 3 OR 4 YARDS DI... DISTANCE DIFFERENCE IN
THE 7 IRON IF I'M JUST HITTING JUST ONE TYPE OF SHOT AND OF COURSE I'M TRYING TO HIT CUT SHOTS AND HOOKS LIKE THAT, BUT, IF I'M JUST TRYING TO HIT TEN SHOTS JUST THE SAME, I'LL GO, I'LL GO OUT THERE, I'LL HAVE NO MORE THAN 3 OR 4
YARDS DISTANCE, DIFFERENCE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, THAT'S YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS FELT THE STEEL SHAFT GIVES YOU THAT. THE GRAPHITE SHAFT DID NOT GIVE YOU THAT. THE REASON THIS IS IN HERE IS TO DAMPEN THE EFFECT OF THE, OF, OF THE MISS HIT, OR MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT A SOFTER HIT, JUST LIKE YOU
GET WITH A GRAPHITE, GRAPHITE SHAFT. MY FRIEND, TREVINO, USED GRAPHITE SHAFTS FOR A WHILE BECAUSE HIS ARMS WERE SORE AND IT MADE A DIFFERENCE FOR HIM BECAUSE THE SOFTER HIT, LESS
VIBRATION. SO YOU HAVE A COMBINATION OF CONSISTENCY OF DISTANCE WITH THE STEEL AND LESS VIBRATION, BUT JUST THAT, THAT MUCH, THAT'S ALL THAT'S NECESSARY, GIVES A LITTLE BIT LESS VIBRATION, AND THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY IT WORKS, IT WORKS THAT WAY.
CAN YOU STAY A FEW MORE MINUTES?
ALRIGHT, DON'T GO AWAY. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
Lopez fires flawless 63 for lead in Arkansas
ROGERS, Ark. – Since its first year on the LPGA Tour in 2007, the crowds at the NW Arkansas Championship have belonged to Stacy Lewis.
Another former University of Arkansas star staked her claim as the hometown favorite Friday when Gaby Lopez shot a career-low 8-under 63 to take the first-round lead at Pinnacle Country Club.
Like Lewis, the two-time winner of the tournament, Lopez starred as a three-time All-American for the Razorbacks before joining the LPGA Tour in 2016. Despite flashes of potential, Lopez had yet to join Lewis among the ranks of the world's best - missing the cut in her last two tournaments and entering this week ranked 136th in the world.
For a day, at least, the Mexican standout felt right at home atop the leaderboard in her adopted home state.
''I feel like home,'' Lopez said. ''I feel so, so comfortable out here, because I feel that everyone and every single person out here is just rooting for us.''
Moriya Jutanugarn was a stroke back along with Minjee Lee, Catriona Matthew, Nasa Hataoka, Lizette Salas, Mirim Lee and Aditi Ashok. Six others finished at 6 under on a day when only 26 of the 144 players finished over par, thanks to some mid-week rain that softened the greens and calm skies throughout the day.
Jutanugarn finished second at the tournament last year and is trying to win for the second time on the LPGA Tour this year. Her younger sister, Ariya, is already a two-time winner this year and shot an opening-round 66.
Lewis, the former world No. 1 who won the event in 2007 in 2014, finished with a 66. She's expecting her first child in early November
Defending champion So Yeon Ryu, coming off a victory Sunday in Michigan, shot a 67.
Friday was Lopez's long-awaited day to standout, though, much to the delight of the pro-Arkansas crowd.
After missing the cut her last two times out, Lopez took some time off and returned home to Mexico City to rest her mind and work on her game. The work paid off with two straight birdies to open her round and a 6-under 30 on her front nine.
Lopez needed only 25 putts and finished two shots off the course record of 61, and she overcame a poor drive on the par-5 18th to finish with a par and keep her place at the top of the leaderboard. Her previous low score was a 64 last year, and she matched her career best by finishing at 8 under.
''(Rest) is a key that no one really truly understands until you're out here,'' Lopez said. ''... Sometimes resting is actually the part you've got to work on.''
Harman rides hot putter to Travelers lead
CROMWELL, Conn. – There are plenty of big names gathered for the Travelers Championship, and through two rounds they’re all chasing Brian Harman.
Harman opened with a 6-under 64, then carded a 66 during Friday’s morning wave to become the only player to finish the first two rounds in double digits under par. The southpaw is currently riding a hot putter, leading the field in strokes gained: putting while rolling in 12 birdies and an eagle through his first 36 holes.
“Putted great today,” said Harman, who ranks 22nd on Tour this season in putting. “Got out of position a couple of times, but I was able to get myself good looks at it. I started hitting the ball really well coming down the stretch and made a few birdies.”
Harman, 31, has won twice on the PGA Tour, most recently at last year’s Wells Fargo Championship. While he doesn’t have a win this year, he started his season in the fall by reeling off five straight finishes of T-8 or better to quickly install himself as one of the leaders in the season-long points race.
Now topping a leaderboard that includes the likes of Jason Day, Bubba Watson and Rory McIlroy, he realizes that he’ll have his work cut out for him if he’s going to leave Connecticut with trophy No. 3.
“The putter has been really good so far, but I’ve been in position a lot. I’ve had a lot of good looks at it,” Harman said. “I’m just able to put a little pressure on the course right now, which is nice.”
10-second rule costs Zach Johnson a stroke
CROMWELL, Conn. – Zach Johnson heads into the weekend one shot back at the Travelers Championship, but he was a matter of seconds away from being tied for the lead.
Johnson had an 18-foot birdie putt on No. 3 at TPC River Highlands, his 12th hole of the day, but left the ball hanging on the lip. As Johnson walked up to tap the ball in, it oscillated on the edge and eventually fell in without being hit.
Was it a birdie, or a par?
According to the Rules of Golf, and much to Johnson’s chagrin, the answer was a par. Players are afforded “reasonable” time to walk to the hole, and after that they are allowed to wait for 10 seconds to see if the ball drops of its own accord. After that, it either becomes holed by a player’s stroke, or falls in and leads to a one-shot penalty, resulting in the same score as if the player had hit it.
According to Mark Russell, PGA Tour vice president of rules and competitions, Johnson’s wait time until the ball fell in was between 16 and 18 seconds.
“Once he putts the ball, he’s got a reasonable amount of time to reach the hole,” Russell said. “Then once he reaches the hole, he’s got 10 seconds. After 10 seconds, the ball is deemed to be at rest.”
Johnson tried to emphasize the fact that the ball was oscillating as he stood over it, and even asked rules officials if marking his ball on the edge of the hole would have yielded a “bonus 10 seconds.” But after signing for a 2-under 68 that brought him within a shot of leader Brian Harman, the veteran took the ruling in stride.
“The 10-second rule has always been there. Vague to some degree,” Johnson said. “The bottom line is I went to tap it in after 10 seconds and the ball was moving. At that point, even if the ball is moving, it’s deemed to be at rest because it’s on the lip. Don’t ask me why, but that’s just the way it is.”
While Johnson brushed off any thoughts of the golf gods conspiring against him on the lip, he was beaming with pride about an unconventional par he made on No. 17 en route to a bogey-free round. Johnson sailed his tee shot well right into the water, but after consulting his options he decided to drop on the far side of the hazard near the 16th tee box.
His subsequent approach from 234 yards rolled to within 8 feet, and he calmly drained the putt for an unexpected save.
“I got a great lie. Just opened up a 4-hybrid, and it started over the grandstands and drew in there,” Johnson said. “That’s as good of an up-and-down as I’ve witnessed, or performed.”
Travelers becoming marquee event for star players
CROMWELL, Conn. – Get lost in the throngs following the defending champ, or caught up amongst the crowds chasing the back-to-back U.S. Open winner, and it’s easy to forget where this tournament was a little more than a decade ago.
The Travelers Championship was without a sponsor, without a worthwhile field, without a consistent date and on the verge of being jettisoned to the PGA Tour Champions schedule. The glory days of the old Greater Hartford Open had come and gone, and the PGA Tour’s ever-increasing machine appeared poised to leave little old Cromwell in its wake.
The civic pride is booming in this neck of the woods. Main Street is lined with one small business after the next, and this time of year there are signs and posters popping up on every corner congratulating a member of the most recent graduating class at Cromwell High School, which sits less than two miles from the first tee at TPC River Highlands.
Having made it through a harrowing time in the event’s history, the local residents now have plenty of reason to take pride.
The Tour’s best have found this little New England hamlet, where tournament officials roll out the red carpet in every direction. They embrace the opportunity to decompress after the mind-numbing gauntlet the USGA set out for them last week, and they relish a return to a course where well-struck shots, more often than not, lead to birdies.
Ten years ago, this tournament was also held the week after the U.S. Open. Stewart Cink won, and for his efforts he received a paltry 36 world ranking points. But thanks to a recent influx of star-power, this week’s winner will pocket 58 points – the same amount Rory McIlroy won at Bay Hill, and two more than Justin Rose got at Colonial. Now at the halfway point, the leaderboard backs up the hefty allocation.
While Brian Harman leads at 10 under, the chase pack is strong enough to strike fear in the heart of even the most seasoned veteran: McIlroy, Bubba Watson and Zach Johnson, they of the combined eight major titles, all sit within three shots of the lead. Former world No. 1 Jason Day is one shot further back, and reigning Player of the Year Justin Thomas will start the third round inside the top 20.
Paul Casey and Bryson DeChambeau, both likely participants at the Ryder Cup this fall, are right there as well at 8 under. Casey lost a playoff here to Watson in 2015 and has come back every year since, witnessing first-hand the tournament’s growth in scope.
“It speaks volumes for what Travelers have done and how they treat everybody, and the work that Andy Bessette and his team put in to fly around the country and speak highly of this event,” Casey said. “And do things which matter, to continue to improve the event, not just for players but for spectators.”
Part of the increased field strength can be attributed to the Tour’s recent rule change, requiring players who play fewer than 25 events in a season to add a new event they haven’t played in the last four years. Another portion can be attributed to the short commute from Shinnecock Hills to TPC River Highlands, a three-hour drive and even shorter across the Long Island Sound – an added bonus the event will lose two of the next three years with West Coast U.S. Opens.
But there’s no denying the widespread appeal of an event named the Tour’s tournament of the year, players’ choice and most fan-friendly in 2017. While Spieth’s return to defend his title was assumed, both Day and McIlroy are back for another crack this year after liking what they saw.
“Anyone that I talked to could only say good things about the tournament about the golf course, how the guys are treated here, how the fans come out, and how the community always gets behind this event,” McIlroy said. “Obviously I witnessed that for the first time last year, and I really enjoyed it.”
After starting the week with all four reigning major champs and five of the top 10 players in the latest world rankings, only Masters champ Patrick Reed got sent packing following rounds of 72-67. The remaining top-flight contingent will all hit the ground running in search of more low scores Saturday, with Spieth (-4) still retaining a glimmer of hope to keep his title defense chances alive, perhaps with a 63 like he fired in the opening round.
The Tour’s schedule represents a zero-sum game. Outside of the majors and WGCs that essentially become must-play events for the game’s best, the rest of the legs of the weekly circus become victim of a 12-month version of tug-of-war. Some players like to play in the spring; others load up in the fall. Many play the week before majors, while a select group block off the week after for some R&R far away from a golf course.
But in an environment where one tournament’s ebbs can create flows for another, the Travelers has continued a steady climb up the Tour’s hierarchy. Once in jeopardy of relegation, it has found its footing and appears in the process of turning several of the Tour’s one-name stars into regular participants.
Rory. Jordan. Bubba. JT.
It’s been a long battle for tournament officials, but the proof is in the pudding. And this weekend, the reward for the people of Cromwell – population 14,000 – looks to be a star-studded show.
“All the events are incredible,” Thomas said. “But this is kind of one of those underrated ones that I think until people come and play, do they realize how great it is.”